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The writer's announced it'n'everything: http://www.paulcornell.com/2009/05/goodbye-captain-britain.html




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This book is 50 times better than most crap Marvel is putting out right now, and yet it gets cancelled.

I guess if they slapped an "X" on the front cover, maybe they would have marketed the book a lot more and the fans would have tried it and found out that they actually enjoyed it.

It's sad to see something really good getting cancelled when there is total trash still being published month after month. Whatever






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Jay Phoenix





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    This book is 50 times better than most crap Marvel is putting out right now, and yet it gets cancelled.



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    I guess if they slapped an "X" on the front cover, maybe they would have marketed the book a lot more and the fans would have tried it and found out that they actually enjoyed it.



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    It's sad to see something really good getting cancelled when there is total trash still being published month after month. Whatever


A question to my American cousins ... do you think that this failed because it was set in Britain with British heroes?

I mean the writing was excellent and the artwork brilliant so it SHOULD have been a top-selling book. However, it wasn't.




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Dane Whitman




Very obviously, Dane Whitman is one of my favourite Marvel characters and I always hoped he'd dress in a more civilised way as in this book. I also think Captain Britain is a fun character and Pete Wisdom (who I imagine is in it). I'm English. I'm a tiny bit responsible for the cancellation of this book because I'm not buying it.

Even though it should be a dream book for me, the couple of issues I picked up really didn't get me excited. Characterisation and dialogue were pretty good, but I really didn't like the art at all. That was what killed it for me, I think.

I've never been attracted by the big X on the cover of some books. This just didn't do it for me on some level.


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Mr Sinister






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    It's sad to see something really good getting cancelled when there is total trash still being published month after month. Whatever


Yeah. Like you say, a crossover with Wolverine or any other X-character would have probably bumped sales and given the book a wider audience, but alas, 'twas not to be \:\(



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mjyoung





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      I guess if they slapped an "X" on the front cover, maybe they would have marketed the book a lot more and the fans would have tried it and found out that they actually enjoyed it.


Hahah. Because the previous Excalibur comics and X-titles like Young X-Men sold so well. The X brand isn't as popular as it once was.


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    A question to my American cousins ... do you think that this failed because it was set in Britain with British heroes?


No. No book really fails for one single reason, but it fails for a multiple of reasons. And there were a lot of flaws with this book. Being set in England featuring British heroes didn't really help, but it didn't kill it. A more serious problem was the magical aspect of the title. Magic has a hard time of selling, which is why we don't see a Dr. Strange series.

The purpose of the title was never going to be popular, so high sales were always out of the question. But there were alot of other things about the book which weren't helping. None of the characters were really that popular, and alternatives of Meggan, Psylocke, or Union Jack would have probably helped. Bringing in new characters like Faiza wasn't a good move. The stories themselves weren't very marketable, putting a new character "the lord of hell" as the antagonist for the second story wasn't a great idea. Should have brought in major villains, or at least bring in Dracula earlier.

I could go on and on. Look at GotG for a team title based on a niche concept (cosmic instead of magic) to see a book that did alot of things right.


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    I mean the writing was excellent and the artwork brilliant so it SHOULD have been a top-selling book. However, it wasn't.


Well that is extremely subjective. But I feel your pain.


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iTG





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      It's sad to see something really good getting cancelled when there is total trash still being published month after month. Whatever



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    Yeah. Like you say, a crossover with Wolverine or any other X-character would have probably bumped sales and given the book a wider audience, but alas, 'twas not to be \:\(


I doubt it. At least the X-over with the X-Men did not seem to help the Eternals any.




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Somebody


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      It's sad to see something really good getting cancelled when there is total trash still being published month after month. Whatever

    Yeah. Like you say, a crossover with Wolverine or any other X-character would have probably bumped sales and given the book a wider audience, but alas, 'twas not to be \:\(

Okay, I should probably nuance that title a bit... crossovers DO bump sales... but ONLY for the duration of the crossover. Same as variant covers - as soon as they stop, sales go back to the original trend.




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Grey




maybe if marvel wasnt publishing a gazillion Dark Reign tie-ins... the belt wouldnt have to be tightened and we could still enjoy Captain Britain... its an amazing read... it will be missed.


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Hatman





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    Very obviously, Dane Whitman is one of my favourite Marvel characters and I always hoped he'd dress in a more civilised way as in this book. I also think Captain Britain is a fun character and Pete Wisdom (who I imagine is in it). I'm English. I'm a tiny bit responsible for the cancellation of this book because I'm not buying it.


Having a book set in your home country shouldn't make you responsible to purchase the title. I'm Canadian, and a huge Alpha Flight fan. That being said, outside of John Byrne's original run, the Alpha books have never had a lot of Canadian content even when it would have been really easy to insert some. I only bought the third volume of Alpha Flight for completion's sake since it was bloody horrible.

I didn't read the latest Captain Britain book, mostly due to budget constraints and trying not to start new titles, but did it have any British content or flavour?

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patoliver




I wonder if there is a way to save the book from getting cancelled? I wouldn't like to jeopardize the quality that it has by doing a cross over with the xmen or something like that but maybe some other guest appearance would have helped. This is a book were characters like Kurt and Psylocke might find nice place to be and this might attract new readers.


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If a comic doesn't have a superstar creative team or feature A-list characters, it's basically got a limited run.

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mjyoung





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    Okay, I should probably nuance that title a bit... crossovers DO bump sales... but ONLY for the duration of the crossover. Same as variant covers - as soon as they stop, sales go back to the original trend.


I don't think you can say that as an absolute.

Crossovers and tie ins to events bring new readers into a series, even if for a limited time. It's up to that title to keep the readers there.

Anytime you can get a new reader to sample a title, you have a chance to keep them around. Besides the examples of crossovers or tieins, it can be the same for variant covers, anniversary issues, new creative teams, or hyped events. Look at the success Captain America has had when it killed Steve Rodgers. Many people bought the "Death of" issue, and some of them stuck around.

Of course, it is hard to keep them, but it's not impossible.


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      Okay, I should probably nuance that title a bit... crossovers DO bump sales... but ONLY for the duration of the crossover. Same as variant covers - as soon as they stop, sales go back to the original trend.

    I don't think you can say that as an absolute.

    Crossovers and tie ins to events bring new readers into a series, even if for a limited time. It's up to that title to keep the readers there.

    Anytime you can get a new reader to sample a title, you have a chance to keep them around. Besides the examples of crossovers or tieins, it can be the same for variant covers, anniversary issues, new creative teams, or hyped events. Look at the success Captain America has had when it killed Steve Rodgers. Many people bought the "Death of" issue, and some of them stuck around.

    Of course, it is hard to keep them, but it's not impossible.

See, you miss the basic problem: You and me aren't Marvel's customers. The retailers are. And retailers' default position is to assume that post-crossover sales will be equivalent to or lower than pre-crossover sales (for fairly sound reasons - if they order more than they can sell, they lose money on that title that month. Hence a natural conservatism springs into the equation - the potential upside of selling more issues is more-than-tempered by the fear of losing money) unless they have a specific reason to act in a contrary manner...

...and most of those "specific reasons" are pretty drastic. Death of Cap is an exception and a half because it hit on a slow news day and got US-wide coverage for at least a full week, including frigging OBITUARIES. Other exceptions include the complete retooling of the Thunderbolts series after Civil War, with a new premise, team lineup including high-profile villains, a high profile writer, high-profile artist, variant covers AND a promotional push.

Crossing over with one other series and without drastic changes in the process? Not likely to boost sales past the immediate crossover one iota, and even major stunts aren't guaranteed to do so - the Obamamania ASM issue was the highest selling comic since the early 90s... and hasn't boosted ASM sales one little bit.






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But I think in most cases, the fans actually are the customer. Fans can pre-order their comics, purchase tpbs, or order online. This isn't like the days when fans only could choose from the comics their retailer orders. Fans also have a wealth of information at their fingertips, so they aren't surprised when something happens in a comic. They know what comics come out which week. Comics aren't a push industry, where the publishers just push whatever they want at the customers. Instead, it's a pull industry where the fans tell the publishers what they want.

We should equate Thunderbolts to Captain Britain here. There is nothing that Thunderbolts did that Captain Britain couldn't have done. CB could have gotten a more commercial purpose, more popular characters, more popular creators, etc. Marvel could have even pushed the title more. I think one important reason why CB failed was because of their followup story to Secret Invasion with the Lord of Hell. That one story saw a loss of 50% in it's readers. They should have followed up Secret Invasion with the Dracula storyline, or at least something more commercial.

The reason why the Obama comic didn't help Amazing is because it was a crappy story. The main story in that comic wasn't created to bring in new readers. The Obama story was just added to the back of whatever comic was going to be released that week. Put that Obama story at the end of the Flash Thompson in Iraq story and I think you keep some readers.

Let's look at two recent titles, Deadpool and Incredible Hercules. Both started off as tie ins to events, Deadpool had Secret Invasion while Hercules had World War Hulk. Both of those titles are selling pretty great right now, much higher than expectations. Without Secret Invasion, Deadpool would have started off much lower, and drifted down the charts. Same for Herc. Does anyone really think before that Deadpool could beat a main Wolverine title in sales? Or that Herc could be more popular than a spin off X-Men team with X-Factor?

But the reason why those books still sell well is because people stuck around on the titles. I attribute that to the writing on those titles. People stuck with Deadpool, but they didn't stick with Captain Britain. And I expect Captain Britain to sell less than Deadpool, but not 50% less.


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eugenio abraham: the ex exposed guy






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    But the reason why those books still sell well is because people stuck around on the titles. I attribute that to the writing on those titles. People stuck with Deadpool, but they didn't stick with Captain Britain. And I expect Captain Britain to sell less than Deadpool, but not 50% less.


I only pick up this title out of curiosity because of the Secret Invasion x-over, and I liked a lot!! So I pre-paid the rest of "the mini" at my local comic shop. So, yeah x-over help to increase sales.

Anyway, all the time I was under the idea this comic was a just mini. The last two issues arrived late to the store and I wasn't paying attention to the web that time... so.. yeah, I just miss the following issues and I decided to wait and get this comic in trades.
I guess it was an error, because montly sales are what made comics keep around.

It is a shame, really.










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The GoldenAger







This is a real shame, I thoroughly enjoy this series. It is cancelled due to poor sales? If so, is that because it's not set in America?

I would certainly hope it's not the latter, and feel if it's the former those who didn't buy the title didn't know what they were missing.

I shall enjoy every issue that's yet to come including the Annual which is supposed to return Meggan to the Marvel Universe.

The GoldenAger


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Peter David





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      This book is 50 times better than most crap Marvel is putting out right now, and yet it gets cancelled.

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        I guess if they slapped an "X" on the front cover, maybe they would have marketed the book a lot more and the fans would have tried it and found out that they actually enjoyed it.

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          It's sad to see something really good getting cancelled when there is total trash still being published month after month. Whatever



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    A question to my American cousins ... do you think that this failed because it was set in Britain with British heroes?



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    I mean the writing was excellent and the artwork brilliant so it SHOULD have been a top-selling book. However, it wasn't.


No, it failed because it gave fans what they always claim they want: excellent writing and brilliant artwork, turned out on a regular basis without any connection to tie-ins or involved crossovers. So naturally they didn't bother to pick it up.

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Jay Phoenix





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        This book is 50 times better than most crap Marvel is putting out right now, and yet it gets cancelled.

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          I guess if they slapped an "X" on the front cover, maybe they would have marketed the book a lot more and the fans would have tried it and found out that they actually enjoyed it.

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            It's sad to see something really good getting cancelled when there is total trash still being published month after month. Whatever

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        A question to my American cousins ... do you think that this failed because it was set in Britain with British heroes?

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          I mean the writing was excellent and the artwork brilliant so it SHOULD have been a top-selling book. However, it wasn't.



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    No, it failed because it gave fans what they always claim they want: excellent writing and brilliant artwork, turned out on a regular basis without any connection to tie-ins or involved crossovers. So naturally they didn't bother to pick it up.



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So - what could/should have been done differently? Were Marvel to blame for not pimping/hyping this book as much as they do others, or protecting it so that low sales didn't kill it off?






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matt mash




hello my name is matt mash and i am a recovering completionist.

...completionists are the people who keep comics so shitty by buying awful comics out of a bad habit. plus they end up spending their money on garbage, so not only does marvel keep producing that garbage, but also these people aren't wasting that money on a thousand horrid x- and wolverine books when they could be supporting good books that never last. if everyone voted with their wallets comics as a whole would be much better.

i have no respect whatsoever for completionism.


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Mr Sinister






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    So - what could/should have been done differently? Were Marvel to blame for not pimping/hyping this book as much as they do others, or protecting it so that low sales didn't kill it off?


Yes, they're totally to blame. Look at the way they've been desperately propping up Reggie Hudlin's abject take on the Black Panther, first with the Storm marriage and now by introducing a whole new Panther altogether.

If they'd expended even just half the kind of effort on keeping Captain Britain's title alive that they've put into keeping Hudlin's wretched book going, then we'd be laughing... but we're not, because they've allowed a great title to go tits-up while a substandard one staggers forever onwards.



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Mr Sinister






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    hello my name is matt mash and i am a recovering completionist.


Hi, matt mash!

My name is Mr Sinister, and I'm also a recovering completist.

I finally broke the habit of buying crappy comics thanks to Marvel so comprehensively mangling the X- and Spider-franchises to the point where I just didn't feel happy buying them. I'd put up with so many years of rubbish that I finally reached the stage of thinking "why the smeg am I wasting cash on these things?"

Having empty patches in my collection if and when I decide to go back to those crappy comics (when they get better, obviously) might bother me for a while... but buying rubbish just to plug holes would defeat the purpose of not buying them in the first place.



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Hatman





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    hello my name is matt mash and i am a recovering completionist.



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    ...completionists are the people who keep comics so shitty by buying awful comics out of a bad habit. plus they end up spending their money on garbage, so not only does marvel keep producing that garbage, but also these people aren't wasting that money on a thousand horrid x- and wolverine books when they could be supporting good books that never last. if everyone voted with their wallets comics as a whole would be much better.



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    i have no respect whatsoever for completionism.



I think it depends why you're buying the books. I love Alpha Flight, and whether a book is crappy or not, it's still canon. I want a complete picture of the Alpha Flight characters, so I buy the series. The book is a lot more likely to improve if it's being printed, rather than if it's just cancelled.

I buy comic books to read them. As such, I hate having holes in the story. On some titles, it's pretty much impossible to get everything featuring those characters. With something like Alpha Flight though, it's much more possible since it's somewhat self-contained, being set in a different country and all. And even though I didn't care overall for volume 3 of Alpha Flight, I have still gone back and reread it whenever I do a complete read through of my Alpha Flight collection.

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Evil G:DR







I am G: DR's bitter tears of sorrow.

At least the most recent issue had Dracula accomplish something we've always wanted to do. We'll always have that.




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mjyoung





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    So - what could/should have been done differently? Were Marvel to blame for not pimping/hyping this book as much as they do others, or protecting it so that low sales didn't kill it off?


We can all make theories on why we think the title failed, but it's all just a guess.

It doesn't necessarily make sense for Marvel to hype the lower selling titles. Let's say Marvel has $10,000 to promote one of their titles, and they know that for every $1K they spend on marketing it results in a 1 percent increase of sales. Should they use that money to promote Uncanny X-Men or Captain Britain? With Uncanny it would mean an increase of 10% or 7K readers. For CB it would mean an increase of 10% or 1700 readers. It's the same reason why you see more ads for Coca Cola instead of Coca Cola with Lemon.

How long does Marvel support a series that doesn't sell? CB was selling 17K, which is really low for Marvel ongoing. Did the book have some kind of target demographic that Marvel wanted? Marvel could have kept the series around at a cost until issue 24, but did Marvel have any reason to believe that sales would increase dramatically at that point?

It's sad when we look a title that we love, but we have to be realistic here.





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Sandman


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Where he stays in Britain, since the scene is like so Tomb of Dracula, where he hunts down whatever remains of the invading vampire army, a few runaways you could say, while meeting with some "old friends" like Frost.

Also some drama where we see how he's living with the fact that he had become what he most hated all his life when Morbius bit him which reacted with the infection he was born with.




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Here's a peek:
CAPTAIN BRITAIN AND MI13 ANNUAL #1
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=11962
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