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Comicguy1


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I did read an issue or two (This was when I first starting reading comics, from waaaaaaayyy back when.),but I haven't read most of them, and I don't intend to because it's not looked upon very fondly. I do like Simonson (And I think that he might have done the BEST Fantastic Four run.), but his run is regarded as something of a disappointment. It seems that he left before it could really get going. From my understanding, the problem was mostly editorial (From Gruenwald?). But was it the team itself? When I really think about it, Dr.Druid and Marrina (The issue that I read was when she turned into that giant monster thing.) aren't favorite characters of mine, so maybe I won't care for any team with them on it. Maybe it was Reed and Sue. I'm curious as to any opinions on this run/era. Could it have been a classic?


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As I was there for it and had been with the book several years the fundamental problem I would say was that it took a book, and line-up, that was functioning superbly... and utterly gutted both.

We understand more about the behind-the-scenes background to the storyline today, at the time though Walt Simonson was best known for his Mighty Thor work and X-Factor. The Avengers simply isn't of that standard, as he is writing to an editorial dictat to dismantle the existing team, and for no comprehensible reason. So in view of this editorial demand and the need to serve it Simonson has our well established cast act dramatically out of character, characters are seen to kill, members betray trust, at least two are left at the end of it with life threatening longterm injuries, and when all of this is over the book you have been hugely enjoying up till now is technically no more.

All, as we come to see, to make way for an incredible new line-up that consists of the two key members of the Fantastic Four, 'The Captain', Gilgamesh, and Thor. And we as readers are left utterly baffled as to the point.

In hindsight if it wasn't for the familiar reassurance of the wonderful John Buscema carrying this carnage through it may well have dealt the book an even bigger blow, he at least supplied a small sense of continuity throughout it all, but at the time I simply could not warm to any of this. To instigate change and evolution one has to sometimes do quite radical surgery to a series in order to shake it out of its apathy and draw a fresh audience, back in 1988 though The Avengers wasn't in need of any of this, and no one could ever argue that the book that it was shaped into come #300 was in any way superior to what it had been rebuilt from...






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