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    so much for going back to the old numbering.


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    I think your outrage at Tony would be more credible if you held Reed Richards to the same standard. It almost seems hypocritical of you to let Reed off the hook. In all my years of reading your posts, I've never once seen you criticize Reed's role in Civil War, and he is just as guilty as Tony. He stood by Tony's side during the entire event, agreeing with him, helping him make the Thor clone, and masterminding the whole thing.

I was done with Reed loooooooong before Civil War. I've only ever been able to tolerate him for Ben and sometimes Sue (I have severe problems with Sue, and they're all because of her connection to him). He's the primary reason I've never been crazy about FF. I've never tried to smooth things over when it came to him.

I'm pretty sure I was vocal, at the time, in that I thought Sue should have outright divorced Reed during Civil War. IIRC, she even had papers drawn up. This was one of the best things, imo, I've ever seen Sue do as a character. I was let down when it was quickly brushed aside. Of all of Marvel's marriages, I've wanted that one done more than anything else. Even last week I said something to the effect that if I had the power, Reed+Sue would be over in 5 minutes.

I just seem to mention Tony more than Reed. Tony's a bigger factor in Marvel. I tend to stay away from too much FF because of Reed.


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Why give Mark Millar that much power?

Think about it, you've gone 12 whole years now being disgusted with Tony all because some writer wrote 7 comic books way back in 2006. Don't you want to break free of Mark Millar's story and move on?

Question Millar's motives. It's not Tony's fault that he was demonized by a writer. You being "done" with Iron Man gives Mark a WIN, in my humble opinion.

Now, of coarse you can turn the table on me. You can say that I have allowed writers to make me LOVE Tony Stark, rather than hate the character. Bob, Dave, Stan, and all the rest have shaped my attitude toward Tony over the years as well. So, yeah, it goes both ways.



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    Why give Mark Millar that much power?



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    Think about it, you've gone 12 whole years now being disgusted with Tony all because some writer wrote 7 comic books way back in 2006. Don't you want to break free of Mark Millar's story and move on?



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    Question Millar's motives. It's not Tony's fault that he was demonized by a writer. You being "done" with Iron Man gives Mark a WIN, in my humble opinion.



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    Now, of coarse you can turn the table on me. You can say that I have allowed writers to make me LOVE Tony Stark, rather than hate the character. Bob, Dave, Stan, and all the rest have shaped my attitude toward Tony over the years as well. So, yeah, it goes both ways.


He was involved in a ton of damnable stuff in those 7 issues.

I actually started disliking Tony with the Extremis stuff. Civil War was just the proverbial straw.

But he's in "good" company. I've been done with Peter Parker since about the same time.


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Only the writers are to blame. A fictional character is not responsible for something a writer creates. How could Tony and Peter be blamed for ANYTHING when they are just paper and ink?

You are condemning something that does not exist. Fictional characters can do nothing unless a writer creates it.

What happens if a writer, just on a whim, decides to write She-Hulk making a deal with Mephisto? Do you drop her too? What if someone creates a story where every single comic book character ever created makes a deal with Mephisto. Do you then give up comics altogether?

Spider-Man and Iron Man have given you years of pleasure, whether you realize it or not. The money made from early Spider-Man comics helped build the comic book industry that you now enjoy. The money made from early Iron Man movies helped build the MCU, allowing you to enjoy future Marvel movies. Every single Marvel character ever created has helped build the company that you now enjoy.

Dropping Spidey and Iron Man because of some perceived wrong...a wrong that a WRITER created... almost seems more unjust than anything these characters were MADE to do in a fictional comic book.

But then again, how can one be unjust to something that doesn't really exist? \:\)

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Well, of course, I'm not blaming the fictional characters. I'm not so far removed from reality that I don't know it's the writers who have done this to them.

Doesn't have anything to do with me being done with the characters. It's just as silly to continue following characters you cannot enjoy because of what the writers have done to them.

I cannot enjoy Peter until the marriage is retroactively reenstated.
Tony has way too much blood still on his hands from Civil War for me to enjoy.


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