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emerickman 

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Guns don't kill people, people may've seen Batman's guns do so way back in the Early Days but for even longer it has been a respectable defining characteristic that he avoids them.

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> ...Batman wielding a shotgun? He HATES guns. Way out of character.
Agreed. On a whim, Googled "Batman holds gun" and got these images. Maybe someone more versed in Batcanon can cite which ones are NOT from stories about the prime universe -at the time- Batman?

Batman (1940-2011) #15
https://www.comixology.com/Batman-1940-2011-15/digital-comic/7541


World's Finest #195

















Not quite?






And this approptiate page where he does NOT:


I miss Dad & Dan.




I miss you, Dan. I miss you, Dad. I miss you, Dan.
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Knight


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A majority of these happened in the Pre-Crisis days with a few of them happening in the Post Crisis/New Earth continuity. And I don't care what anyone says; Batman holding a gun and using it for ANY reason is out of character. Period.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Comicguy1


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Under Kane and Finger, but then the Comic Code mandated that he couldn't kill anymore. Also, I would add the classic Ten Nights Of The Beast storyline. Batman locked the KG Beast in a room and left him to die. At the time, it was pretty clear that he more-or-less killed him.


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D. Strange


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If memory serves, and it may not...

The comic code came along in the mid-50s, over a decade after Batman stopped killing people.

Batman not killing was more to separate him from The Shadow, which he pretty heavily "borrowed" from.


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Reverend Meteor


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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think most of that occurred before the silver age. So you can just cheat and say that was golden age Earth-2 Batman.

Silver Age Batman and on presumably didn't like guns. At least that's the lie I tell myself. I think eventually writers realized that a guy whose parents were murdered by gunfire and dedicates himself to risking his life stopping crime every night probably just doesn't like guns.

Of course I wonder what happens when Bruce's rich friends want to take him hunting.






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Reverend Meteor


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    Quote:
    If memory serves, and it may not...



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    The comic code came along in the mid-50s, over a decade after Batman stopped killing people.



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    Batman not killing was more to separate him from The Shadow, which he pretty heavily "borrowed" from.


Can't we now just sort of say Earth-2 Batman killed. Earth-1 Batman didn't? It gives Bruce an out doesn't it?





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Comicguy1


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The KG Beast, for example. And then Ra's Al Ghul, and the Darkseid example during Final Crisis. After reading the original stories, I'm a lot more lenient to Batman and Superman killing,


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Comicguy1


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That the editors imposed. I think that you are correct about the Comic Code. I was probably thinking about the editorial/company mandate.


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Reverend Meteor


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    Quote:
    The KG Beast, for example. And then Ra's Al Ghul, and the Darkseid example during Final Crisis. After reading the original stories, I'm a lot more lenient to Batman and Superman killing,


The KG Beast was the one exception I knew about (my Batman knowledge is limited) but even that one I thought a later retcon undid it.



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Comicguy1


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Obviously the KG Beast came back and it didn't take, but at the time of the story, that was pretty much it. He also did kill or at least cause the death of Ra's once or twice.


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