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JesusFan


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That Hulk thinks Jane just killed off betty!


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Anyone who knows how to use the hammer properly, and is willing to do so, would destroy the Hulk in seconds.


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jazzbass6


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Jane doesn't know how to use it. The hammer does EVERYTHING for her. She has power but doesn't know how to use it because the of the PIS of Mjolnir being sentient.


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If that's true then I hope they do fight and the Hulk kills her. Then hopefully we can the real Thor back, the way he was meant to be.



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Poltargyst


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Toe Rag


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Hulk tears her apart.


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Knight


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nt





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Ko


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'If the criteria for being called a god is to be stronger than Hulk can be, than the number of gods in Marvel just dropped to possibly zero'. WBW
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Ko


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Onslaught/Cryptoman/Galaxy Master Abomination smashing level instantly.
Bye bye Jane.




'If the criteria for being called a god is to be stronger than Hulk can be, than the number of gods in Marvel just dropped to possibly zero'. WBW
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Thor won’t kill the Hulk because he knows there is an innocent human trapped inside of the Hulk. If Thor wanted to he could kill him very quickly.

Perfect example: Hulk Annual 2001

Thor transports himself and the Hulk to numerous planets so their battle won’t hurt any humans. On one of those other planets, the Hulk can’t breathe, collapses and changes back to Banner.
Thor says, “How easy it would be to let him perish here.” Instead he saves the Hulk and brings him back to Earth. All he had to do was leave him there and the Hulk would’ve been dead.

If he really wanted to, Thor could transport the Hulk anywhere he wants. To Pluto or the Sun and the Hulk would die within seconds.

It’s that simple, but then Marvel would lose a lot of money without one of their most popular characters.



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Ko


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Some caveats.
Firstly Thor has explicitly tried to kill the Hulk. A few times. Once in warrior madness.
To use a portal Thor has to carry the Hulk through. In that Episode Thor breaks Hulks track record against Thors lightning (and pretty much all electrical attacks) and goes down rather easily. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen again,(especially since Hulk has gone through many in continuity power ups since then and Thors stock has rather waned in comparison).
So Thor has to knock Hulk out and carry him through the portal. No easy task.
Hulk would also not die on Pluto, he can survive in a vacuum. Thor would have to do what he always tries to do, to bludgeon Hulk unconscious, there he could kill Hulk whatever planet he was on.
A bit like when Hulk could have killed Thor in that very annual in the exact same way.






'If the criteria for being called a god is to be stronger than Hulk can be, than the number of gods in Marvel just dropped to possibly zero'. WBW
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Marvelfan


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provided they can be hit


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Toe Rag


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Jane burps and Hulk is blasted to atoms.


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Vangrab


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    Quote:
    Some caveats.
    Firstly Thor has explicitly tried to kill the Hulk. A few times. Once in warrior madness.
    To use a portal Thor has to carry the Hulk through. In that Episode Thor breaks Hulks track record against Thors lightning (and pretty much all electrical attacks) and goes down rather easily. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen again,(especially since Hulk has gone through many in continuity power ups since then and Thors stock has rather waned in comparison).
    So Thor has to knock Hulk out and carry him through the portal. No easy task.
    Hulk would also not die on Pluto, he can survive in a vacuum. Thor would have to do what he always tries to do, to bludgeon Hulk unconscious, there he could kill Hulk whatever planet he was on.
    A bit like when Hulk could have killed Thor in that very annual in the exact same way.


Well, Thor did try to kill the Hulk, but Hulk was becoming Maestro in that issue-but you also forget that Thor was still holding back when he chose not to use Mjolnir's other more exptic powers.

The point is those electrical attacks brought down the Hulk.
Thor can KO him, like I said if Thor actually wants to kill the Hulk he would have done it because there is a lot more than just blasting in that hammer-the more exptic attacks.
Also, Thor has shown that he cajn summon extremely powerful lightning bolts without using Mjolnir, just like he defeated Durok, this is the same situation on how would Hulk go down.

But I agree, today's Thor is weakling compared to previous versions.


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Vangrab


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    Quote:
    provided they can be hit


Actually Hulk is the toast here, not Thor, as well as everyone else.




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Sir PoetTree


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"And when his anger is incalculable, the Hulk is simply the strongest one there is." --Greg Pak
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Ko


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I can see Thor really doing something with was the anti-force blast.
The Godblast? Takes too long. Can be dodged. Years ago I questioned these exotic powers on this board and out of very few actual replies the anti-force blast was the only thing that could really pose a problem for Hulk.

He actually wasn't becoming the Maestro - in fact he was behaving like a martyr , getting the world to focus on him , not something the Maestro would ever do.
Also Thor's warrior madness while increasing his strength and aggressiveness, does not lend itself well to thinking. I wouldn't say he chose not to use them rather he was focussed simply on 'I'll kill you Ill kill you'.
Hulk was absolutely blasted by lightning in that encounter too. It didn't do anything. I will stay with my opinion that that Hulk ko was an extreme outlier.
The Durok strike may work on a calm Hulk, on no planet would it work on a Hulk that thinks Betty is dead.




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Ko


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Last time he tried this his arm was burned off. There is no physcial way Thor is holding Hulk through a portal to the Sun.
Let alone what the Suns gamma rays would do to the Hulk...
No dice.




'If the criteria for being called a god is to be stronger than Hulk can be, than the number of gods in Marvel just dropped to possibly zero'. WBW
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UName


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Just knockout/kill Hulk with a FTL hammer throw and then make the portal and kick him through it.

(Won't ever happen in a comic of course, but Thor should be able to do all of that)


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From Marvel Database
List of Thor's Powers

Read #2 - He doesn't have to be near the Hulk to send him to the Sun.

10. Inter dimensional travel (Mjolnir)

Traveling to different dimensions (including Asgard) is possible through the use of Mjolnir. This can take three forms:
1)Thor can transport himself and those near him to a desired destination
2)Thor can throw Mjolnir around a target and warp it to the desired location
3) Thor can open a dimensional portal through which anyone can travel through (usually a surprised, onrushing enemy)


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From Marvel Database
List of Thor's Powers

Read #2 - He doesn't have to be near the Hulk to send him to the Sun.

10. Inter dimensional travel (Mjolnir)

Traveling to different dimensions (including Asgard) is possible through the use of Mjolnir. This can take three forms:
1)Thor can transport himself and those near him to a desired destination
2)Thor can throw Mjolnir around a target and warp it to the desired location
3) Thor can open a dimensional portal through which anyone can travel through (usually a surprised, onrushing enemy)


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Ko


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It takes time every time I've seen Thor use a portal.
1.Whipping up a dimensional gate to take enemies through he usually twirls the hammer for a few seconds giving fair warning. Not easy to do in a fight.Also Thor would be in the actual Sun. Not Atums special place *inside* the Sun as he was before so he's dead too.
No 2. Yeah it could work.I'd like to see evidence of this on panel however before I agree.
3. Again takes time. It's not instantaneous and not seen any evidence on panel of this.




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Ko


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If Thor could ko Hulk with Mjolnir he'd have done so by now.




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Marv


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where Thor did teleport others with a ray from Mjolnir
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140449/4696828-3097728530-ThorM.jpg

or by throwing the hammer in such a way that it did circle around the subject or big chunks of land

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir141-Teleportation393.jpg

Or even without throwing the hammer, but the effect itself in a whirlwind


http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir27-Teleportation.jpg

it does take a spin to use this second form of teleportation, or a bit of charging time, so it's true that time is of the essence, but we have seen him catch rushing spaceships with it, and port superbeings with enhanced reflexes without them noticing;
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111308907/5607568-5409792-rco017_1468696304.jpg
static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111308907/5607569-5409793-rco018_1468696304.jpg

And on occasions, Thors can fight inside a star no problem

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111197929/4884007-fights+gorr+inside+a+star.jpg
Hulk as well has been said to probably be able to survive getting thrown to the sun, so i think it depends. Sentry as well, but it did keep him dead for a while. At low end all three of them might die in the sun, at top i don't think so...

Thor lightning is able to stun or slow Hulk down at times as well, it knocked him out at least twice that i remember, so it should give him enough time if he wished to gain time. He did trap Hulk in a spinning vortex in one of their first fights after all...



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Marv


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Savage Hulk mourning for Betty is uber, but Jane Thor recently had the Mother Storm eat up a supernova and turned it back into a normal star, she would probably tank hulk's attacks, learn of Betty's death mid fight and somehow bring her back to life with hammer magic...


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Ko


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The older ones,sorry, I'm inclined to think that sort of thing has gone by the wayside, the way Mjolnir used to be is not the same now.
The newer ones I will agree are good, and yeah there is a caveat of time, he could possibly catch Greeny if he plays it smart enough for Hulk to stop attacking for a second (as he did to The Worthy Hulk) , still, I see it coming down to a bloody brawl most of the time.




'If the criteria for being called a god is to be stronger than Hulk can be, than the number of gods in Marvel just dropped to possibly zero'. WBW
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Marv


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It does usually devolve in a brawl, more for the pride of the fighters and the mentality of warrior born that they aspire to. But that is mostly a question of honor, not a question of potential use of the Thunder God powers; if he didn't care about honor, 99% of his fights would be over in a moment with him banishing the adversary to realms of timeless eternal night where time is frozen, or some similar kind of thing.

Mjolnir is basically an all powerful plot device most of the time, like the "dinamic powerset" tends to be for the hulk, both are used somewhat inconsistently and are hyped or nerfed depending of the need of the story. Mjolnir had lost his time traveling powers thanks to immortus long ago, but they are apparently back with Jane thor as seen in Avengers against Kang, for example, so it's not toally impossible for them to use again rarely used powers from the past if it suits their needs...


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Vangrab


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    Quote:
    If Thor could ko Hulk with Mjolnir he'd have done so by now.



Thor has shown he can do it on numerous faar more powerful beings than Hulk, so Hulk is not an exception.

Thor has never tried to hit the Hulk with Mjolnir in faster than light speed-end of the Hulk-that's what is called not holding back out to kill, the way Thor usually fights because of his pride against the Hulk, if Thor is fighting the Hulk like he does against faaar more powerful beings than the Hulk-which means smart, Hulk is simply dead before their fight even starts.


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Vangrab


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    Quote:
    I can see Thor really doing something with was the anti-force blast.
    The Godblast? Takes too long. Can be dodged. Years ago I questioned these exotic powers on this board and out of very few actual replies the anti-force blast was the only thing that could really pose a problem for Hulk.



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    He actually wasn't becoming the Maestro - in fact he was behaving like a martyr , getting the world to focus on him , not something the Maestro would ever do.
    Also Thor's warrior madness while increasing his strength and aggressiveness, does not lend itself well to thinking. I wouldn't say he chose not to use them rather he was focussed simply on 'I'll kill you Ill kill you'.
    Hulk was absolutely blasted by lightning in that encounter too. It didn't do anything. I will stay with my opinion that that Hulk ko was an extreme outlier.
    The Durok strike may work on a calm Hulk, on no planet would it work on a Hulk that thinks Betty is dead.


Thor has shown he can do it on numerous faar more powerful beings than Hulk, so Hulk is not an exception.

Thor has never tried to hit the Hulk with Mjolnir in faster than light speed-end of the Hulk-that's what is called not holding back out to kill, the way Thor usually fights because of his pride against the Hulk, if Thor is fighting the Hulk like he does against faaar more powerful beings than the Hulk-which means smart, Hulk is simply dead before their fight even starts.


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Ko


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God Sue eh?
The sooner the cancer gets her the better.




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