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bragagain007


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Similar to the classic Legion of Doom and Masters of Evil and Acts of Vengeance and more recent Cabal stories.

Make two seperate lists of 13 master villains from each universe (Marvel and DC) and what master villain-like assets they bring to the table that would enable them to conquer the heroes and the world. Try to be a little diverse - meaning not having 7 X-Men villains and the 6 Avengers villains. Throw in a odd uncommon master villain. These are usually the masterminds behind major storylines and not used to answering to anyone else.

Then make ONE list of 13 master villains from all genres and universes (including DC and Marvel) and again what they bring to the table to conquer the world.

They dont have to be able to get along or even have matching agendas or motivations - just the desire to win and deal with each other afterwards.

Also who would be the defacto leader of each group you post.

No one higher than Teambuster.

Sound fun?


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Bk Ray


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Marvel

Kingpin - resources, criminal infa-structure
Bullseye, Elektra, Bloody Mary - Kingpin's hit squad and body guard

Viper - as Madam Hydra

Sebastian Shaw, Selene - as the Black King and Queen, members and rulers of the Hellfire Club, bringing finance and Selene's cult.

Baron Mordo - the guy is seriously powerful, let him be the servant of Dormmanu and bring that to the table.

The Leader, Mad Thinker and the Amazing Android - insane brain power to add to the team.

Bedlam and Stonecutter - what have these 2 powerful brains been up to since the exemplar arc? Being part of this super team.

DC

Luthor - because he would pretty much attempt to destroy any other rival.
Deathstroke - master tactician and field leader.
Mister E - mystical consulte
Gorrilla Grodd and Hector Hammond - psionic geniuses
Sinesto - with the might of the Yellow Lantern Corps
Ras Al Ghul - League of Assisans with Cheshire as his personal hitman and Lady Shiva as his bodyguard.
Parasite and Solomon Grundy - 2 powerhouses for hire
Johnny Sorrow
Per Degaton



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Braugi


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Marvel's Acts of Vengeance did a pretty darned good job of it honestly, but...


Seth, god of Death brings together the following
Resurrected by Seth:
Skurge
Trauma

Seth brings back two dead characters, one who died honorably but who was a villain, and Hulk Villain Trauma, but both are under his control (much as Red Norvel was when brought back...I considered Norvel as a lackey, but)...these guys are brute force lackeys mostly bodyguards to Seth, though Seth is the most powerful of all the guys here


I picked the rest because I think they can mostly reconcile their motivations (no Red Skull and Magneto on a team, for instance). Also, all are intelligent and should command at least some measure of respect from the others.

Count Nefaria-all around powerful, and an aristocrat who wants his
own way
Graviton
Dr. Doom
the Leader
Magneto
Amora the Enchantress- joins because Skurge is brought back
Sebastian Shaw
Mandarin
Maestro
Agamemnon

Note: I thought about including Kro, because he won't show up in anyones list...I also considered Lord Tantalus, but I figure this is a good mix of different powersets, and their motivations are reconcilable enough. I also thought about Jomungund, the Midgard Serpent, but with him being resurrected by Seth, I thought it might be too much...


DC
President Lex Luthor - yeah, that version
He coordinates with others based on their desire to strike at heroes that have previously defeated them for the most part

Maxwell Lord: Luthor's right hand

Hugo Strange: an advisor to Luthor
General Eiling - muscle, and bring him in line with is commander
in chief
Deathstroke- because
Massacre: I really liked him as a Superman villain, and since he
never really got over the grudge, I think he could be pursuaded
to work with this team, if only for a time...provided he's alive
Devastation: capable and intelligent, and a good match for Wonder
Woman, an excellent member of the team
Kestrel, because I always liked him, and he was the pinnacle
Hawk and Dove villain in the Kessel run
Asmodel: I liked his first arc vs. the Justice League
Malefic:intense hatred for Jonn and great powerset
Sinestro: hatred for the GLs makes him amenable to working with Luthor
Cobalt Blue: intense hatred for Flash, brings an interesting powerset
to the table



Group 3:
The question is, do I want to go 'cool', powerful, work together, or what...

Hordak: because Masters of the Universe is my favorite property...
I have to have either Skeletor or Hordak...
Megatron (Beast Wars). I like the other Megatron better, but think
the Beast Wars version is more likely to work with organics, and
I wanted to have someone from Transformers involved
Sho Nuff: small time compared to others, but among my favorite
villains in any genre, so I included him. He's a great
street level to meta threat, with top flight fighting skill
Ctchutchik: Grolim High Priest from the Belgariad, powerful wizard
who gave Belgarath the best fight (better than Belzedar IMO)
Bianca: old and powerful Red Court Vampire from the Dresden books
Darth Vader: Duh
Khan: Star Trek
Mumm Ra: It was either him or Mon Starr





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bragagain007


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    Marvel



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    Kingpin - resources, criminal infa-structure
    Bullseye, Elektra, Bloody Mary - Kingpin's hit squad and body guard



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    Viper - as Madam Hydra



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    Sebastian Shaw, Selene - as the Black King and Queen, members and rulers of the Hellfire Club, bringing finance and Selene's cult.



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    Baron Mordo - the guy is seriously powerful, let him be the servant of Dormmanu and bring that to the table.



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    The Leader, Mad Thinker and the Amazing Android - insane brain power to add to the team.



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    Bedlam and Stonecutter - what have these 2 powerful brains been up to since the exemplar arc? Being part of this super team.


Nice. Mordo and the Mad Thinker are good additions and i really liked the Bedlam and Stonecutter additions. I think i remember reading all the Exemplars being killed somewhere though. Can't remember. But Bedlam brings a top-tier psionic and Stonecutter had some mad prep and tech skills and could hold his own against Juggernaut.

Nice team. It would be interesting to see how Kingpin and Viper would fit in with this group. They don't bring alot of raw power but a great deal of resources and fighters and cunning. Would they get the respect they deserve (probably demand)?




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    Luthor - because he would pretty much attempt to destroy any other rival.
    Deathstroke - master tactician and field leader.
    Mister E - mystical consulte
    Gorrilla Grodd and Hector Hammond - psionic geniuses
    Sinesto - with the might of the Yellow Lantern Corps
    Ras Al Ghul - League of Assisans with Cheshire as his personal hitman and Lady Shiva as his bodyguard.
    Parasite and Solomon Grundy - 2 powerhouses for hire
    Johnny Sorrow
    Per Degaton


I like this group too. It is like a really scary Injustice Gang. Sinestro has changed alot since those old team-up days (barring Forever Evil run) and i wonder if he would be able to handle a second or third or fourth or maybe even 5th seat from the top.

Luthor would definitely have his hands full trying to keep Sorrow and Ras Al Ghul and Sinestro in line and focused on the prize.


thanks - this is exactly what i was hoping to see :]



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bragagain007


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    Marvel's Acts of Vengeance did a pretty darned good job of it honestly, but...


Bah - 13 is perfect for a villainous group - imagine the Legion of Doom from the old cartoons with all the villains sitting at their seats plotting and planning lol. That is what got me thinking about villainous super-duper mastermind groups and wanted to see what some people would come up with.



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    Seth, god of Death brings together the following
    Resurrected by Seth:
    Skurge
    Trauma



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    Seth brings back two dead characters, one who died honorably but who was a villain, and Hulk Villain Trauma, but both are under his control (much as Red Norvel was when brought back...I considered Norvel as a lackey, but)...these guys are brute force lackeys mostly bodyguards to Seth, though Seth is the most powerful of all the guys here


Seth is an amazing sneaker pick. I think he is a very under used and underrated Master Villain. I think any villain that could toe-to-toe with Thor on any given day and organize the destruction of Asgard and Odin has to be considered near the top of the food chain without being overly-cosmic. I think he is only teambuster or high herald, what is considered his usually class on these boards?

Seth's resurrection and addition of Skurge and Trauma is also a nice touch. Two near-Thor/Hulk level thugs, who also have a connection to other members of the group in Amora and Armageddon. A nice power play to manipulate those two to swing their votes his way within the group.



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    I picked the rest because I think they can mostly reconcile their motivations (no Red Skull and Magneto on a team, for instance). Also, all are intelligent and should command at least some measure of respect from the others.


yeah, i was wondering if anyone would consider alignments and oppossing motivations considering how the Magneto/Red Skull story played out in Acts of Vengeance. Which was a great story. I think they would have towed the line if they actually knew they were being lead by Loki from the beginning though instead of being manipulated and used as pawns. Magneto would have struggled but may have went along knowing they had leader who would bring his wrath down on him.



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    Count Nefaria-all around powerful, and an aristocrat who wants his
    own way
    Graviton
    Dr. Doom
    the Leader
    Magneto
    Amora the Enchantress- joins because Skurge is brought back
    Sebastian Shaw
    Mandarin
    Maestro
    Agamemnon


very cool and diverse group. it would definitely have some in-fighting amongst these alphas, and i would probably see Doom finding someway to manipulate the whole situation to his advantage and take full control of this group eventually. Probably conspiring with Amora and manipulating the sometimes mentally weak Graviton to take out Seth.

And i see that i misread Agamemnon for Armageddon (Trauma's father). Agamemnon is the former leader of the Pantheon with Professor Hulk right? I guess that changes the Seth stuff i mentioned earlier \:\)



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    Note: I thought about including Kro, because he won't show up in anyones list...I also considered Lord Tantalus, but I figure this is a good mix of different powersets, and their motivations are reconcilable enough. I also thought about Jomungund, the Midgard Serpent, but with him being resurrected by Seth, I thought it might be too much...


Kro or Tantalus would have been nice additions too. I like Tantalus as a character alot, i always wished they would use him again.



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    DC
    President Lex Luthor - yeah, that version
    He coordinates with others based on their desire to strike at heroes that have previously defeated them for the most part



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    Maxwell Lord: Luthor's right hand


I don't know if Max could ever take a number 2 spot. but i like the idea. He is almost as good of a manipulator/prep man as Luthor.



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    Hugo Strange: an advisor to Luthor
    General Eiling - muscle, and bring him in line with is commander
    in chief
    Deathstroke- because
    Massacre: I really liked him as a Superman villain, and since he
    never really got over the grudge, I think he could be pursuaded
    to work with this team, if only for a time...provided he's alive
    Devastation: capable and intelligent, and a good match for Wonder
    Woman, an excellent member of the team
    Kestrel, because I always liked him, and he was the pinnacle
    Hawk and Dove villain in the Kessel run
    Asmodel: I liked his first arc vs. the Justice League
    Malefic:intense hatred for Jonn and great powerset
    Sinestro: hatred for the GLs makes him amenable to working with Luthor
    Cobalt Blue: intense hatred for Flash, brings an interesting powerset
    to the table


another nice group. Some very unique and rare choices here. Eiling (i assume in Shaggy Man's body as the General), Massacre and Devastation are all beasts capable of taking on any Superman or Wonder Woman level foes.

Kestrel is a cool low-level/street or enhanced fighter to add in as well. I think he could take any Teen Titan level foe out except maybe Donna.

Asmodel and Malefic are also crazy scary and cool additions.

I admit i know little about Cobalt Blue. So i don't i can't say much there.

nice team.



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    Group 3:
    The question is, do I want to go 'cool', powerful, work together, or what...



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    Hordak: because Masters of the Universe is my favorite property...
    I have to have either Skeletor or Hordak...
    Megatron (Beast Wars). I like the other Megatron better, but think
    the Beast Wars version is more likely to work with organics, and
    I wanted to have someone from Transformers involved
    Sho Nuff: small time compared to others, but among my favorite
    villains in any genre, so I included him. He's a great
    street level to meta threat, with top flight fighting skill
    Ctchutchik: Grolim High Priest from the Belgariad, powerful wizard
    who gave Belgarath the best fight (better than Belzedar IMO)
    Bianca: old and powerful Red Court Vampire from the Dresden books
    Darth Vader: Duh
    Khan: Star Trek
    Mumm Ra: It was either him or Mon Starr


I like what i know. I have No idea who Ctchutchik or Bianca are so i will look them up for curiosity sakes.

Sho Nuff is from Afro Samurai right? or am i completely off on that one?

I admit i don't know what the difference is between Beast Wars Megatron and normal Megatron except what you said.

And i love the idea of Mumm Ra, Darth Vader, Khan (who i think is outclassed entirely here) and Hordak all on one super group. That spells a whole shit of fun and possibilities.

would you mind giving links or more written detail about the characters i was not familiar with?


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Thank you very much for taking the time out to put these together. It was a fun read and i hope you had some fun thinking it out.




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Braugi


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Seth is a death God... He generally has been solidly above Thor... Beat Odin once though under non typical circumstances....still absurdly above Red Norvell and Ulik, and Erik had to become Bloodstrike to beat him.

I think that team could work together for a while...but yeah, eventually Doom is going to try to take over.

As to the DC team...if there's anyone Max will work with, it's Luthor.
Cobalt Blue is one of the Thawnes and a Flash villain...his blue flames could steal Flashes powers and such

As to the others ... I will post links when I get home.
Sho Nuff was from the Last Dragon...supurb fighter who could make his hands glow with red energy....

Ctutchik was a sorcerer eventually killed by Belgareth

Beast wars Megatron was a T Rex that turned into a robot. He took the name of the old Decepticon leader and was very powerful but more of a planner and thinker than the original.


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Bk Ray


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Dr Doom (the best Marvel multi-universal player I can think off)
The Magus
Mordu
Venger
Raistlin Majere
Mayor Richard Wilkins
Ming the Merciless
The Architect (Matrix)
Judge Death
Emperor Palaptine
The Beast (Krull)
The Borg Queen
The Master (Dr Who)




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bragagain007


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Posts: 258



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    Dr Doom (the best Marvel multi-universal player I can think off)
    The Magus
    Mordu
    Venger
    Raistlin Majere
    Mayor Richard Wilkins
    Ming the Merciless
    The Architect (Matrix)
    Judge Death
    Emperor Palaptine
    The Beast (Krull)
    The Borg Queen
    The Master (Dr Who)



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Glad u put up the third group. Looks pretty good and a tremendous amount of resources behind most of them.

Dont know a couple if u wouldnt mind helping with some info or links:

Venger - from D&D cartoon?

Raistlin Majere? No clue.

Mayor Richard Wilkins? Buffy foe?

The Magus - as in Adam Warlocks future counterpart? Or New Mutants Warlock's monster of a father? The second has struck me as beyound teambuster a bit - just curious.


Thanks again for participating.



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Braugi


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Posts: 219


Red Court Vampires:
http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Court_vampire
In comparison, Black Court Vampires are probably the most powerful, and have the strongest vulnerabilities to things like sunlight etc...while Red court is more resistant.

Sho Nuff and the Last Dragon
http://www.thelastdragontribute.com/shonuff-julius-carry/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Dragon

The characters of the Belgariad...more information on the 'good guys' available, like Belgarath. Ctutchik was an evil sorcerer and high priest of Torak. He was very powerful. We know sorcerers could shapeshift, we know Grolims less powerful than he were able to send their shadows out to scout, and to impact peoples minds, as well as more overt acts. Polgara turned Salmissra into an immortal, giant snake, and Belgarath gave animals the ability to speak that would be passed on to their progeny.

Cthutchik's battle with Belgarath saw Belgarath winning, but so exhausted that Polgara thought he may have lost his powers permanently. Cthutchit barely shows up in the books, save references to him in the background. Instead, a lesser sorcerer, Chamdar (also known as Asharak) is more prominently featured, but he is killed much more easily. The other major antagonistic sorcerer (still not as powerful as Torak, who Belgarion had to face) was Zedar, formerly Belzedar, who was a traitor to Belgarath's order, but Belgarath seemed to handly him more easily than Ctchutchik.

http://davideddings.wikia.com/wiki/Ctuchik

Here is a little info on Belgarath:
http://davideddings.wikia.com/wiki/Belgarath

Don't sell Khan short though...IMO he's a lot like Deathstroke...at least peak human, super intelligent, and he learned a ton of Star Trek tech in a very short time frame. Yeah, its like sticking Deathstroke on a team, but...

Megatron
http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Megatron_(Beast_Wars)



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The Mandarin


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13 is too ambitious for me, sorry. I'll stick to a balanced five man team.

(1)Doctor Doom
Considers villains and classic villainy beneath him. Pretends to co-lead the team while actually using them as a distraction for his real goal, some plot-device that would bring him cosmic enlightenment. While the superheroes are busy stopping his team from stealing Fort Knox and the like, he quietly moves closer to becoming omniscient and omnipotent.

(2)The Mandarin
Wants to conquer the world, gaining unlimited wealth, power, and advancing a social darwinist political agenda. Does most of the field-leadership, because he enjoys leading a horde of barbarians into battle and ripping his enemies limb from limb personally. Officially a co-leader, he considers Doom a weakling too concerned with lab-work to threaten his political agenda.

(3)Juggernaut
Joins purely for the money.

(4)Machinesmith
Joins to get a look at Doom's and Mandarin's tech. Used as a combination of mechanic and hacker.

(5)Sin
Joins because this team is more free than being under Red Skull, allowing her fewer responsibilities and more chances to cut loose and just have murderous fun. Essentially treats being on the team as a gory extended vacation.




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Braugi


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Cool picks


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1. Doom
Because every Cabal needs a DOOM


2. Lex Luthor
Genius, person of influence and his knowledge of his universes heroes and villains would be extremely helpful

3. Grand Regent Thragg
Muscle, great strategist and multi-planet conqueror. A true general

4. Ras Al Ghul
You need somebody who operates from the shadows...get things done that you didnt even know needed doing.

5. Sinister
The mad scientist, the immortal, the geneticist who can create, modify and mass produce powerful cannon fodder, viruses or any other type of genetic type of weapon that can not only win you the battle, but the war as well.


6. Ozymandias
The genius hero who will do evil for the greater good. You need his perspective of the street level.

7. Sinestro
Galactic terrorist with one of the most powerful weapons in existence that can create a force of fear when it is needed.







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bragagain007


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    1. Doom
    Because every Cabal needs a DOOM



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    2. Lex Luthor
    Genius, person of influence and his knowledge of his universes heroes and villains would be extremely helpful



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    3. Grand Regent Thragg
    Muscle, great strategist and multi-planet conqueror. A true general



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    4. Ras Al Ghul
    You need somebody who operates from the shadows...get things done that you didnt even know needed doing.



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    5. Sinister
    The mad scientist, the immortal, the geneticist who can create, modify and mass produce powerful cannon fodder, viruses or any other type of genetic type of weapon that can not only win you the battle, but the war as well.



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    6. Ozymandias
    The genius hero who will do evil for the greater good. You need his perspective of the street level.



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    7. Sinestro
    Galactic terrorist with one of the most powerful weapons in existence that can create a force of fear when it is needed.



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Nice team - i asked for 13 cause i knew most would only do half of whatever was asked for lol

Love the Thragg and Sinister additions.

And yes every Cabal needs Doom




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Braugi


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Multiversal Cabal: Legion of Doom

Dr. Doomsday
Dr. Doom 616
Kristoff von Doom (thought he was Doom)
Ultimate Doom
Doom (AoA)
Czerny (thought he was Doom in Doom 2099)
Dr. Doom (2015 film)
Dr. Doom (2005 film)


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bragagain007


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    13 is too ambitious for me, sorry. I'll stick to a balanced five man team.



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    (1)Doctor Doom
    Considers villains and classic villainy beneath him. Pretends to co-lead the team while actually using them as a distraction for his real goal, some plot-device that would bring him cosmic enlightenment. While the superheroes are busy stopping his team from stealing Fort Knox and the like, he quietly moves closer to becoming omniscient and omnipotent.



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    (2)The Mandarin
    Wants to conquer the world, gaining unlimited wealth, power, and advancing a social darwinist political agenda. Does most of the field-leadership, because he enjoys leading a horde of barbarians into battle and ripping his enemies limb from limb personally. Officially a co-leader, he considers Doom a weakling too concerned with lab-work to threaten his political agenda.



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    (3)Juggernaut
    Joins purely for the money.



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    (4)Machinesmith
    Joins to get a look at Doom's and Mandarin's tech. Used as a combination of mechanic and hacker.



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    (5)Sin
    Joins because this team is more free than being under Red Skull, allowing her fewer responsibilities and more chances to cut loose and just have murderous fun. Essentially treats being on the team as a gory extended vacation.


I like your team and the rationales behind each - dont know if this is really a world conquering team though. Sin, Machinesmith and Juggs just dont offer alot of world beating potential like your first 2 picks.




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    The characters of the Belgariad...more information on the 'good guys' available, like Belgarath. Ctutchik was an evil sorcerer and high priest of Torak. He was very powerful. We know sorcerers could shapeshift, we know Grolims less powerful than he were able to send their shadows out to scout, and to impact peoples minds, as well as more overt acts. Polgara turned Salmissra into an immortal, giant snake, and Belgarath gave animals the ability to speak that would be passed on to their progeny.



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    Cthutchik's battle with Belgarath saw Belgarath winning, but so exhausted that Polgara thought he may have lost his powers permanently. Cthutchit barely shows up in the books, save references to him in the background. Instead, a lesser sorcerer, Chamdar (also known as Asharak) is more prominently featured, but he is killed much more easily. The other major antagonistic sorcerer (still not as powerful as Torak, who Belgarion had to face) was Zedar, formerly Belzedar, who was a traitor to Belgarath's order, but Belgarath seemed to handly him more easily than Ctchutchik.



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    http://davideddings.wikia.com/wiki/Ctuchik






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    Don't sell Khan short though...IMO he's a lot like Deathstroke...at least peak human, super intelligent, and he learned a ton of Star Trek tech in a very short time frame. Yeah, its like sticking Deathstroke on a team, but...








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