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Urban Cowboy


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On a scale of 0 to 100, zero being no skill, 100 being a master fighter, how do you rate the following:

James T. Kirk (his discussion inspired this)

Charles Gunn (from Angel)

Rupert Giles (from Buffy)

Ben Grimn (human form)

Johnny Storm, no powers

Ted Kord

Ray Palmer

Hank Pym

Scott Lang

Tony Stark

Indiana Jones

Jim Gordon in his prime.



I'm tempted to add Clint Barton and Frank Castle, but many consider them Marvel's Green Arrow and Batman. If they are, they are elete fighters and not quailfied for what I'm going for here. But go ahead and add them if you disagree, and anybody else you can think of.




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Braugi


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In any case, people like Lady Shiva, Batman, and the like are in the 90s

James T. Kirk (his discussion inspired this): He's not the best technical fighter, but has guts, can improvise, and has a high level of skill. So I'd say he's maybe 75

Charles Gunn (from Angel): A lot like Kirk...he's got a lot of real world experience, and has taken on a lot of vamps...I still don't think he beats Kirk on average...maybe 70

Rupert Giles (from Buffy): trained his entire life, but less practical experience, though he did gain that...70

Ben Grimn (human form): 75 Good, but not among the best

Johnny Storm, no powers: 30?

Ted Kord? he was more agile, but in terms of pure fighting, I find it hard to see him beating a human Ben Grimm or Kirk, but might do better against more powerful opponents where agility matters more than toughness...75?

Ray Palmer: 25?

Hank Pym? 40?

Scott Lang : 30

Tony Stark:50

Indiana Jones:65

Jim Gordon in his prime.: Hard to tell from the comics, but he's impressive in Gotham....


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Bk Ray


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    Ted Kord? he was more agile, but in terms of pure fighting, I find it hard to see him beating a human Ben Grimm or Kirk, but might do better against more powerful opponents where agility matters more than toughness...75?


He was good. He had a boxing fight against Guy and was far too fast for him, he was whooping him. Guy beat him, by attacking him when his back was turned. But in a fair fight Kord was in no trouble at all.

Guy in the meantime has provided issues for Hal in a fight, with Hal having to out-think him in a fist fight.



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Bk Ray


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Ok. So 90 to 100 represents the likes of Cap, Black Panther, Lady Shiva, Batman, Shang Chi, Storm Shadow etc, the top levels.

I'll go with 0-5 representing non existent fighting ability, so the disabled to elderly.

6 - 10 being your average guy on the street, who may be overweight, untrained etc.

11 -19 your fit average person who may have done some training a while ago.

20 - 39 being someone who has had some professional training and has had experience, refresher training and is physically fit. Police officers and Prison Officers will fit in here.

Johnny Storm
Tony Stark
Ray Palmer
Scott Lang
Hank Pym
Jim Gordon
Your average criminal henchman (Kingpin, Joker goon etc)

40 -59 represents those who have natural talent or extensive regular training. Your decent black belts and above (including instructor), your armed forces who are on the boxing or judo teams etc or special units.

Giles (low end)
Ben Grimm
Your professional bodyguard


60 -79. This is where it gets highly skilled. You are looking at either superior natural ability in a single art or extensive training of multiple forms, including a mix of both. In real life, this could be olympic level potential (someone very skilled and trained but needing a bit of polishing) or someone who may essentially be a particularly skilled and talented veteran of a combat sport but slightly past their prime. This also represents good natural talented combined with experience and training.

James Kirk
Charles Gunn
Ted Kord
Indiana Jones
Mad Max
Black Knight
Gambit
The best members of the Hand.
Bloody Mary
Quick Kick

Most Asgardian 'commoners' fight here, due to extensive lifespans and living in a harsh environment.

80 - 89. Superior talent meets extensive regular training. Olympic level achievment. Multiple master of several combat arts.

The Punisher
Kingpin
Nightwing
Puck


90 to 100, explained above.

100 - 150 level. We are getting into superhuman ability with/or several hundred years of relevant fighting training coupled with experience now. So this would be Balder, Fandral the Dashing, Heimdall, Gamora, Angela, the Lady Sif they may not have the specific techniques of those before them (Iron Fist etc) but their ability and experience more than compensates.

150/200. The 'elite' level of the above. Now, we are talking about Thor, Wonder Woman, Karate Kid, Odin. The kind of levels, where they can actually fight those who have vast superhuman speed.



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Urban Cowboy


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James T. Kirk 65

Charles Gunn (from Angel) 65

Rupert Giles (from Buffy) 60

Ben Grimn (human form) 65

Johnny Storm, no powers 30

Ted Kord 30

Ray Palmer 35

Hank Pym 35

Scott Lang 40

Tony Stark 40

Indiana Jones 45

Jim Gordon in his prime. 55



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JesusFan


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How about Doc Savage?


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JesusFan


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How about Doc savage and remo Williams?


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Bk Ray


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I can't see him losing 50/50 to Johnny Storm and being inferior to Scott Lang or Tony Stark.

He dominates all 3, possibly beating all 3 at the same time in pure hand to hand.



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JesusFan


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Kirk would still fimnd a way to win against any of these, as his egom, willpower, and luck wins out!


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JesusFan


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Glad that you stated non elite here, as Chuck Norris has no rating, what is Infinity?


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MysteryMan


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    Quote:
    On a scale of 0 to 100, zero being no skill, 100 being a master fighter, how do you rate the following:



    Quote:
    James T. Kirk (his discussion inspired this)


He always seemed pretty skilled at least in comparison to Klingons and so on....so...80?


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    Charles Gunn (from Angel)



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    Rupert Giles (from Buffy)



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    Ben Grimn (human form)


Hes a professional boxer isn't he? 90


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    Johnny Storm, no powers


Very little 20


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    Ted Kord


Has to have some...sooo...say 60?


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    Ray Palmer



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    Hank Pym


middling to avg...some maybe learned as Giant man? 30-40


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    Scott Lang


little more than Hank...maybe smidge above avg 60


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    Tony Stark


all over the place...sometimes old ladies beat him up othertimes he fights almost like a ninja...so 20 to 70 depending


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    Indiana Jones


Probably 70-80...looks like he has fought a lot of fights over time


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    Jim Gordon in his prime.


50


    Quote:
    I'm tempted to add Clint Barton and Frank Castle, but many consider them Marvel's Green Arrow and Batman. If they are, they are elete fighters and not quailfied for what I'm going for here. But go ahead and add them if you disagree, and anybody else you can think of.





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