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Now I have to see him easily own Superman.



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    Now I have to see him easily own Superman.
Ha ha ha you'll never see that, Supes will own Darkseid and even Zeus. Nobody touches DC's golden boy.




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Oliva


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Actually, if a weak Darkseid defeated Zeus- then Superman should have an easier time defeating Zeus; since he has defeated the older version of Darkseid one on one- just do the Mathematical computation. Thus, Superman's power  should be above most, if not all, Sky- Lords.  This makes perfect sense when it comes to the Laws of BS Physics that has governed the DC Universe for the longest time. Maybe, Zeus should've call Batman before the match, and ask him to trip Darkseid down some stairs. This might have given Zeus the win for sure.
Zeus should've obliterated Darkseid and easily. I recall Thunderstrike couldn't do Jack against Heimdall who was given just a portion of the Odin Force. If the same thing is held true in the DC Universe- Darkseid wouldn't have been able to touch; nevermind siphoning his energies..


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motifian


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    Actually, if a weak Darkseid defeated Zeus- then Superman should have an easier time defeating Zeus; since he has defeated the older version of Darkseid one on one- just do the Mathematical computation. Thus, Superman's power  should be above most, if not all, Sky- Lords. 


Superman only beat Darkseid after he was hit by his own omega beams.

This Darkseid has defeated Superman twice and killed dozens of Supermen across multiverse.
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    This makes perfect sense when it comes to the Laws of BS Physics that has governed the DC Universe for the longest time. Maybe, Zeus should've call Batman before the match, and ask him to trip Darkseid down some stairs. This might have given Zeus the win for sure.
    Zeus should've obliterated Darkseid and easily. I recall Thunderstrike couldn't do Jack against Heimdall who was given just a portion of the Odin Force. If the same thing is held true in the DC Universe- Darkseid wouldn't have been able to touch; nevermind siphoning his energies..


They are no more BS than marvel universe. Darkseid has straight up no sold Supergirl while weakened.

Thor has defeated Odin straight up as Orlog and the fights between Thor and Odin are a lot more close than Masterson's failure against Heimdall.

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=comicbattles-2017062008021631&layout=thread

Suffice to say he looks no more powerful than Darkseid does in most of his fights with Thor.


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BMarvel


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DC has always been a joke! Imagine if Thanos had done that to Odin? Lol
Or if WWH could’ve overcome a powered up cheating pissed off Zeus? In DC it doesn’t matter because ridiculousness reigns! Now we’ll see Supes sun dip and punk Darkseid lol.


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motifian


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    DC has always been a joke! Imagine if Thanos had done that to Odin? Lol
    Or if WWH could’ve overcome a powered up cheating pissed off Zeus? In DC it doesn’t matter because ridiculousness reigns! Now we’ll see Supes sun dip and punk Darkseid lol.


There you go.

A future Thanos who got "stronger" kills LT, Galactus, Love/Hate, Infinity, a Watcher and Black Bolt kills the celestials with one shout.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ehz-5pbFmJg/WkOntYUguzI/AAAAAAAAGKk/ISnk-3t_TXwdeSM6IqyKEYOFX4e683KkgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO007.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1Rf_wXLTGJQ/WkOnuCZM5TI/AAAAAAAAGK0/EMNwL7gF2WcXRf2xRWkYyCNcIbBKXNA2ACHMYCw/s1600/RCO008.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JWNMHeGg6cA/WkOnu__DcpI/AAAAAAAAGLA/EJGbkPdvSMMW_KOFF-BWPGR_IQ_PBpp2gCHMYCw/s1600/RCO009.jpg

I guess killing Living Tribunal is no big deal and same as Black Bolt killing celestials.


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BMarvel


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We all know that Thanos has “a power up” and this is well into an alternative future that will never happen with battles shown mostly off panel. But DC show young Darkseid taking out Zeus. That’s like having Thane page by page take out Odin during a long drawn out battle while Thor is helpless assisting.
Imagine that???


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BMarvel


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We all know that Thanos has “a power up” and this is well into an alternative future that will never happen with battles shown mostly off panel. But DC show young Darkseid taking out Zeus. That’s like having Thane page by page take out Odin during a long drawn out battle while Thor is helpless assisting.
Imagine that???


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RodimusPrime


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With the things he's done and the powers he's taken, we don't know what level of power Darkseid is at now.


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zvelf


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Now that Darkseid is back to his full power, when he faces the JLA in that same issue, what does he do? He finds it too risky to fight them, turns tail, and runs. This goes back to what I was saying before about how the JLA matched Darkseid in their battle in Justice League #6. If Darkseid was sure he'd win, he wouldn't run for it. This also goes to my point that DC Zeus is less powerful than Marvel Zeus. Darkseid now has the power of Zeus but fighting the Justice League with that power is still an outcome in doubt.








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Oliva


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      Actually, if a weak Darkseid defeated Zeus- then Superman should have an easier time defeating Zeus; since he has defeated the older version of Darkseid one on one- just do the Mathematical computation. Thus, Superman's power  should be above most, if not all, Sky- Lords. 



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    Superman only beat Darkseid after he was hit by his own omega beams.



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    This Darkseid has defeated Superman twice and killed dozens of Supermen across multiverse.
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      This makes perfect sense when it comes to the Laws of BS Physics that has governed the DC Universe for the longest time. Maybe, Zeus should've call Batman before the match, and ask him to trip Darkseid down some stairs. This might have given Zeus the win for sure.
      Zeus should've obliterated Darkseid and easily. I recall Thunderstrike couldn't do Jack against Heimdall who was given just a portion of the Odin Force. If the same thing is held true in the DC Universe- Darkseid wouldn't have been able to touch; nevermind siphoning his energies..



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    They are no more BS than marvel universe. Darkseid has straight up no sold Supergirl while weakened.



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    Thor has defeated Odin straight up as Orlog and the fights between Thor and Odin are a lot more close than Masterson's failure against Heimdall.



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    http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=comicbattles-2017062008021631&layout=thread


Orlog did not know how to properly utilize the Odin Force. His mind created limitations allowing Thor to hang on. If you recall, the Odin Force itself explicitely showed this fact to King Thor. As for the example you showed regarding Thor vs Odin (the invasion by Odin and Zeus of the Eternal City) Odin was clearly distraught about facing Thor- because he didn't want to be forced to kill him as he did once; plus, you know that as he easily removed all living things from Earth but with a gesture, he could've taken Thor's hammer from him, and turn him mortal. In addition, the Embodiment the Odin Force in that Space Saga was just a portion that couldn't stand up to a much greater portion of the Odin Force that resided inside Volstagg. All in all, you can't possibly compared a son vs a father to Darkseid vs Zeus going all out to destroy each other.


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    Suffice to say he looks no more powerful than Darkseid does in most of his fights with Thor.





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motifian


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    Now that Darkseid is back to his full power, when he faces the JLA in that same issue, what does he do? He finds it too risky to fight them, turns tail, and runs. This goes back to what I was saying before about how the JLA matched Darkseid in their battle in Justice League #6. If Darkseid was sure he'd win, he wouldn't run for it. This also goes to my point that DC Zeus is less powerful than Marvel Zeus. Darkseid now has the power of Zeus but fighting the Justice League with that power is still an outcome in doubt.



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Eh, what? He said his end goal is too great to risk. That's quintessential Kirby Darkseid who used combat as a last resort. The guy did not even fight Forever People due to the same reasons.

You're just salty at this point.

And how does it shows that DC Zeus is less powerful than Marvel Zeus? A weakened Thor and She Hulk have restrained a warrior madness Zeus before.

http://i.imgur.com/qgdku1S.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kjaNv1Y.jpg

Not to mention feared Hulk and was about to flee from Olympus unless Hercules saves his behind.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/q13CUsJbndmNh-apNgrD-maPz2CrEWLZqjC7h97Xb7zheJTF7eBQRoNabDKv5TeCDvt0AYP6bvoAFrJUdOme-0O2ViytX1CilxJyTGxMwS1UQSw-osgBDU743F0Xv9TdOm9Nqw=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NefFDg19WjBKgLqBnC5ciwoQEZ-7W_tfc-44zMymAfHalHR9TDn7hpxc7DNWFoswBMtsPPQUxFjY9LoMMhOCRsvaeIaHOf43_NdM5sKIfGCK21sBMFQ1Gv2AIYWUtfk_e1cfwQ=s1600


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motifian


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    We all know that Thanos has “a power up” and this is well into an alternative future that will never happen with battles shown mostly off panel. But DC show young Darkseid taking out Zeus. That’s like having Thane page by page take out Odin during a long drawn out battle while Thor is helpless assisting.
    Imagine that???


So off panel is acceptable when its marvel?

Darkseid was always a skyfather. This isn't anything new. Even in countdown he had defeated entire Olympian pantheon and in John Byrne series he had slaughtered entire pantheons.


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motifian


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        Actually, if a weak Darkseid defeated Zeus- then Superman should have an easier time defeating Zeus; since he has defeated the older version of Darkseid one on one- just do the Mathematical computation. Thus, Superman's power  should be above most, if not all, Sky- Lords. 

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        Superman only beat Darkseid after he was hit by his own omega beams.

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          This Darkseid has defeated Superman twice and killed dozens of Supermen across multiverse.
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              This makes perfect sense when it comes to the Laws of BS Physics that has governed the DC Universe for the longest time. Maybe, Zeus should've call Batman before the match, and ask him to trip Darkseid down some stairs. This might have given Zeus the win for sure.
              Zeus should've obliterated Darkseid and easily. I recall Thunderstrike couldn't do Jack against Heimdall who was given just a portion of the Odin Force. If the same thing is held true in the DC Universe- Darkseid wouldn't have been able to touch; nevermind siphoning his energies..

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              They are no more BS than marvel universe. Darkseid has straight up no sold Supergirl while weakened.

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                Thor has defeated Odin straight up as Orlog and the fights between Thor and Odin are a lot more close than Masterson's failure against Heimdall.

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    Orlog did not know how to properly utilize the Odin Force. His mind created limitations allowing Thor to hang on.

That was never stated or implied.
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    If you recall, the Odin Force itself explicitely showed this fact to King Thor.

That's because Thor didn't want to replace Odin. Orlog was Odin in disguise.
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    As for the example you showed regarding Thor vs Odin (the invasion by Odin and Zeus of the Eternal City) Odin was clearly distraught about facing Thor- because he didn't want to be forced to kill him as he did once; plus, you know that as he easily removed all living things from Earth but with a gesture, he could've taken Thor's hammer from him, and turn him mortal.

That's nothing about a fight. Darkseid has easily incapacitated Superman and Infinity Man together before too.
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    In addition, the Embodiment the Odin Force in that Space Saga was just a portion that couldn't stand up to a much greater portion of the Odin Force that resided inside Volstagg. All in all, you can't possibly compared a son vs a father to Darkseid vs Zeus going all out to destroy each other.


It's not a portion of the power. It was the whole Odinforce and has been shown again.

Yes, we surely can.
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zvelf


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      Now that Darkseid is back to his full power, when he faces the JLA in that same issue, what does he do? He finds it too risky to fight them, turns tail, and runs. This goes back to what I was saying before about how the JLA matched Darkseid in their battle in Justice League #6. If Darkseid was sure he'd win, he wouldn't run for it. This also goes to my point that DC Zeus is less powerful than Marvel Zeus. Darkseid now has the power of Zeus but fighting the Justice League with that power is still an outcome in doubt.
    Eh, what? He said his end goal is too great to risk.


Exactly. It's not a risk if he's sure to win, which he isn't, hence, it's a risk.


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    That's quintessential Kirby Darkseid who used combat as a last resort. The guy did not even fight Forever People due to the same reasons.


Except that Darkseid was all ready to fight Wonder Woman until the Justice League showed up and then he hightailed it and ran.


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    And how does it shows that DC Zeus is less powerful than Marvel Zeus? A weakened Thor and She Hulk have restrained a warrior madness Zeus before.


Funny, how you ignore the context. This is a repeated tactic of yours in which you pull a little moment out of context to say it means something that the larger context completely dismantles. In the heat of battle, Zeus had just beat up Hercules without even looking at who was attacking him. The Avengers were trying to talk sense to Zeus. Thor states, "Nay, Zeus, tis you who have erred," and Zeus stops to understand what's happening. Before Hercules intervened, Zeus had knocked out all the Avengers. Nothing is preventing Zeus from doing that again.







And this was a fight in which Zeus was repeatedly defeating Avengers only to let them get up so he could beat them up some more. In other words, he was holding back.










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    Not to mention feared Hulk and was about to flee from Olympus unless Hercules saves his behind.


Your own scans show Hebe saying to Zeus, "Shall I give the order to evacuate the city?" and Zeus says, "Never, Hebe!" Mislead much? Nevermind that when Zeus did fight Hulk, he completely demolished Hulk without using any of his real versatility.







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motifian


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        Now that Darkseid is back to his full power, when he faces the JLA in that same issue, what does he do? He finds it too risky to fight them, turns tail, and runs. This goes back to what I was saying before about how the JLA matched Darkseid in their battle in Justice League #6. If Darkseid was sure he'd win, he wouldn't run for it. This also goes to my point that DC Zeus is less powerful than Marvel Zeus. Darkseid now has the power of Zeus but fighting the Justice League with that power is still an outcome in doubt.
      Eh, what? He said his end goal is too great to risk.



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    Exactly. It's not a risk if he's sure to win, which he isn't, hence, it's a risk.


He wasn't talking about being a risk in losing. He was talking about his plans being in jeopardy. The league would certainly waste his time.


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      That's quintessential Kirby Darkseid who used combat as a last resort. The guy did not even fight Forever People due to the same reasons.



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    Except that Darkseid was all ready to fight Wonder Woman until the Justice League showed up and then he hightailed it and ran.


Because it was his plan to lure Zeus by attacking Diana.

Your desperation is amusing.


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      And how does it shows that DC Zeus is less powerful than Marvel Zeus? A weakened Thor and She Hulk have restrained a warrior madness Zeus before.



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    Funny, how you ignore the context. This is a repeated tactic of yours in which you pull a little moment out of context to say it means something that the larger context completely dismantles. In the heat of battle, Zeus had just beat up Hercules without even looking at who was attacking him. The Avengers were trying to talk sense to Zeus. Thor states, "Nay, Zeus, tis you who have erred," and Zeus stops to understand what's happening. Before Hercules intervened, Zeus had knocked out all the Avengers. Nothing is preventing Zeus from doing that again.


Are you sure? Zeus flat out says to She Hulk that she has made error of his life and wouldn't calm down till the next page where he sees Hercules.

Avengers restrained Zeus. Also Zeus only knocked out Avengers after a long fight where Avengers were previously tortured and weakened.


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    And this was a fight in which Zeus was repeatedly defeating Avengers only to let them get up so he could beat them up some more. In other words, he was holding back.


He was in warrior madness at that time and not holding back in the least.


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      Not to mention feared Hulk and was about to flee from Olympus unless Hercules saves his behind.



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    Your own scans show Hebe saying to Zeus, "Shall I give the order to evacuate the city?" and Zeus says, "Never, Hebe!" Mislead much? Nevermind that when Zeus did fight Hulk, he completely demolished Hulk without using any of his real versatility.



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He was waiting for Hercules to save Olympians and was boasting in front of Hebe. Pak outright shows Zeus fearing Hulk.

Just like Darkseid koed entire league with one blast. But that obviously doesn't count.


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zvelf


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      Exactly. It's not a risk if he's sure to win, which he isn't, hence, it's a risk.
    He wasn't talking about being a risk in losing. He was talking about his plans being in jeopardy. The league would certainly waste his time.


He was about to "waste" his time fighting Wonder Woman, who by the way was sure she would win this time. Diana is the embodiment of truth telling so Darkseid couldn't be that far out of her league for her to be so sure. Anyway, Darkseid most certainly was talking about a risk of losing.

Darkseid: You've never been able to defeat me before.
Wonder Woman: Then this will be a first time.
Darkseid: I doubt it. Not without help from your precious...

The Justice League shows up. Darkseid's dialogue clearly meant to indicate that Wonder Woman could not beat him without help from her "precious" Justice League. Obviously that meant with the League, she could defeat him. Then Darkseid states, "I'd delight in testing out my newly regained power, too, but my end goal is too great to risk now." The clear context is that the risk lies in testing himself against the League. So we have a rough measure of current Darkseid' power level, it's roughly equal to 6 members of the Justice League. Well, at least until he gets beaten by Superman alone again.


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        That's quintessential Kirby Darkseid who used combat as a last resort. The guy did not even fight Forever People due to the same reasons.

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        Except that Darkseid was all ready to fight Wonder Woman until the Justice League showed up and then he hightailed it and ran.



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    Because it was his plan to lure Zeus by attacking Diana.


That explanation makes no sense as to why Darkseid fled.


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        And how does it shows that DC Zeus is less powerful than Marvel Zeus? A weakened Thor and She Hulk have restrained a warrior madness Zeus before.
      Funny, how you ignore the context. This is a repeated tactic of yours in which you pull a little moment out of context to say it means something that the larger context completely dismantles. In the heat of battle, Zeus had just beat up Hercules without even looking at who was attacking him. The Avengers were trying to talk sense to Zeus. Thor states, "Nay, Zeus, tis you who have erred," and Zeus stops to understand what's happening. Before Hercules intervened, Zeus had knocked out all the Avengers. Nothing is preventing Zeus from doing that again.
    Are you sure?


Yes.


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    Zeus flat out says to She Hulk that she has made error of his life and wouldn't calm down till the next page where he sees Hercules.


Zeus didn't know what was going on. He didn't know who he just demolished and why the Avengers were reacting the way they did. He was still in a rage but also in the process of figuring it all out.


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    Avengers restrained Zeus. Also Zeus only knocked out Avengers after a long fight where Avengers were previously tortured and weakened.


Apparently you missed what I said next.


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      And this was a fight in which Zeus was repeatedly defeating Avengers only to let them get up so he could beat them up some more. In other words, he was holding back.
    He was in warrior madness at that time and not holding back in the least.


Giving your opponents time to wake up and get back into the fight is holding back.






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      Your own scans show Hebe saying to Zeus, "Shall I give the order to evacuate the city?" and Zeus says, "Never, Hebe!" Mislead much? Nevermind that when Zeus did fight Hulk, he completely demolished Hulk without using any of his real versatility.
    He was waiting for Hercules to save Olympians and was boasting in front of Hebe. Pak outright shows Zeus fearing Hulk.


Then you used the wrong scan to support your argument. Battleboard 101: use scans that support your argument. And again, when Pak wrote Hulk actually fighting Zeus, it was no contest. Zeus demolished the Hulk. Do you deny that?


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    Just like Darkseid koed entire league with one blast. But that obviously doesn't count.


Darkseid surprise attacked the League in the very first seconds of their first encounter. Zeus ko'd all the Avengers with one blast after fighting them at length, so there was no element of surprise there, and the comic clearly stated this was at length because Zeus wanted to keep beating up on the Avengers, not kill them right away. Sparing their lives when he didn't have to is holding back. So are you going to deny what's right there on panel again?






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motifian


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        Exactly. It's not a risk if he's sure to win, which he isn't, hence, it's a risk.
      He wasn't talking about being a risk in losing. He was talking about his plans being in jeopardy. The league would certainly waste his time.



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    He was about to "waste" his time fighting Wonder Woman, who by the way was sure she would win this time. Diana is the embodiment of truth telling so Darkseid couldn't be that far out of her league for her to be so sure. Anyway, Darkseid most certainly was talking about a risk of losing.


She was just wishing out loud. Darkseid had beaten her easily every time.

Though it's hilarious you think her statement is the truth and determined his power levels.

No, he wasn't.


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    Darkseid: You've never been able to defeat me before.
    Wonder Woman: Then this will be a first time.
    Darkseid: I doubt it. Not without help from your precious...


Considering how it went the last time, I doubt League would be able to beat him.


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    The Justice League shows up. Darkseid's dialogue clearly meant to indicate that Wonder Woman could not beat him without help from her "precious" Justice League. Obviously that meant with the League, she could defeat him. Then Darkseid states, "I'd delight in testing out my newly regained power, too, but my end goal is too great to risk now." The clear context is that the risk lies in testing himself against the League. So we have a rough measure of current Darkseid' power level, it's roughly equal to 6 members of the Justice League. Well, at least until he gets beaten by Superman alone again.


Darkseid saying "with the help of your precious" doesn't means that the league would win.

He has defeated the League time and again.

Keep trying to lowball Darkseid though, those are certainly entertaining.


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          That's quintessential Kirby Darkseid who used combat as a last resort. The guy did not even fight Forever People due to the same reasons.

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          Except that Darkseid was all ready to fight Wonder Woman until the Justice League showed up and then he hightailed it and ran.

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        Because it was his plan to lure Zeus by attacking Diana.



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    That explanation makes no sense as to why Darkseid fled.


He left because he had completed his plan. Nothing to gain from fighting League.


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          And how does it shows that DC Zeus is less powerful than Marvel Zeus? A weakened Thor and She Hulk have restrained a warrior madness Zeus before.
        Funny, how you ignore the context. This is a repeated tactic of yours in which you pull a little moment out of context to say it means something that the larger context completely dismantles. In the heat of battle, Zeus had just beat up Hercules without even looking at who was attacking him. The Avengers were trying to talk sense to Zeus. Thor states, "Nay, Zeus, tis you who have erred," and Zeus stops to understand what's happening. Before Hercules intervened, Zeus had knocked out all the Avengers. Nothing is preventing Zeus from doing that again.
      Are you sure?



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    Yes.


I'm really not sure if you are able to read or just straight up lying now.


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      Zeus flat out says to She Hulk that she has made error of his life and wouldn't calm down till the next page where he sees Hercules.



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    Zeus didn't know what was going on. He didn't know who he just demolished and why the Avengers were reacting the way they did. He was still in a rage but also in the process of figuring it all out.


Yes, and he was in Warrior madness where he did not held back.

Thor and She Hulk still restrained him like nothing.

No, he wasn't in process of figuring it out. He nearly killed Hercules in his rage.


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      Avengers restrained Zeus. Also Zeus only knocked out Avengers after a long fight where Avengers were previously tortured and weakened.



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    Apparently you missed what I said next.


You missed a lot of things. Including reading comprehension.


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        And this was a fight in which Zeus was repeatedly defeating Avengers only to let them get up so he could beat them up some more. In other words, he was holding back.
      He was in warrior madness at that time and not holding back in the least.



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    Giving your opponents time to wake up and get back into the fight is holding back.


Not in that mindset. He was trying to kill Thor at that point.


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        Your own scans show Hebe saying to Zeus, "Shall I give the order to evacuate the city?" and Zeus says, "Never, Hebe!" Mislead much? Nevermind that when Zeus did fight Hulk, he completely demolished Hulk without using any of his real versatility.
      He was waiting for Hercules to save Olympians and was boasting in front of Hebe. Pak outright shows Zeus fearing Hulk.



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    Then you used the wrong scan to support your argument. Battleboard 101: use scans that support your argument. And again, when Pak wrote Hulk actually fighting Zeus, it was no contest. Zeus demolished the Hulk. Do you deny that?


He was also fearful of Hulk as shown by Pak. Ergo he thought Hulk would beat him as you just said Darkseid was in fear of losing to League, right?

Those scans are in my support.


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      Just like Darkseid koed entire league with one blast. But that obviously doesn't count.



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    Darkseid surprise attacked the League in the very first seconds of their first encounter. Zeus ko'd all the Avengers with one blast after fighting them at length, so there was no element of surprise there, and the comic clearly stated this was at length because Zeus wanted to keep beating up on the Avengers, not kill them right away. Sparing their lives when he didn't have to is holding back. So are you going to deny what's right there on panel again?



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Darkseid announced himself and then koed the team. It's not a suckerpunch.

Zeus koed a weak avengers roster who were tortured and weakened.

Zeus was trying to kill Thor. Now you're straight up lying.


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zvelf


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I've already posted all the scans and cited all the dialogue that refuted all your distorted rationalizations here.





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motifian


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    I've already posted all the scans and cited all the dialogue that refuted all your distorted rationalizations here.


I accept your concession about your lying and making things up.

Run along kid.


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Bootch 

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Please check your Messages.






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midgard


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I can't keep up with what's going on here...but it seems to me that Darkseid has a bigger plan that he doesn't want to risk not completing... as opposed to him being worried about the justice league.

Yes maybe justice league would have given him a great fight...but if you are Darkseid and have 9 out of 10 of your goals completed and the 10th is not fighting justice league...then why fight them


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zvelf


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    I can't keep up with what's going on here...but it seems to me that Darkseid has a bigger plan that he doesn't want to risk not completing... as opposed to him being worried about the justice league.


The two are directly connected - he's worried about the Justice League because they ARE the risk.


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    Yes maybe justice league would have given him a great fight

Yes, that's what's being debated.

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    ...but if you are Darkseid and have 9 out of 10 of your goals completed and the 10th is not fighting justice league...then why fight them


Because Darkseid wants to test out his power or maybe that's just a bit of bravado. Either way you can read exactly what Darkseid states, "I'd delight in testing out my newly regained power, too, but my end goal is too great to risk now." So what's the risk here? The only risk in this moment is his losing to the Justice League.







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