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JesusFan


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The latest Movie ones here for each of them!


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bd2999


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I would probably say movie Superman would be the favored to win, but he would have a rough go at putting Thor down. And if Thor is channeling lightening than he could rattle Superman.

That said, in the context of the JLA movie itself Superman was overpowered compared to the plot. The JLA were not needed other than Superman. Seemed like he mostly could have dealt with everything alone.

I was a bit surprised about how much stronger he seemed than Wonder Woman.




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makkari1


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    I would probably say movie Superman would be the favored to win, but he would have a rough go at putting Thor down. And if Thor is channeling lightening than he could rattle Superman.
I would give slight edge to Superman due his ridiculous speed but Thor's EP is off the charts and movie Supes has yet to face serious EP (the nuke took him for loop but who knows).


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    That said, in the context of the JLA movie itself Superman was overpowered compared to the plot. The JLA were not needed other than Superman. Seemed like he mostly could have dealt with everything alone.
This is not surprising, Superman is DC's flag ship and he has always been more than the combined team by himself. Movie Supes could have fought Steppenwolf alone while the others did crowd control. Flash is the only other one that could be a bad @ss if he had killer instincts. Wonder Woman was watered down from her own movie and I expected her to more bad @ss but when compared to DC's franchise she is a pale second (sadly).   


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    I was a bit surprised about how much stronger he seemed than Wonder Woman.
Yes she did play a distant 2nd to Superman in terms of strength feats.




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Braugi


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to make it a decent team movie...IMO JLA Superman was significantly stronger than he was shown in Batman v Superman, at least in how he was presented alongside WW and Batman's toys.

Based on BM v Superman and MOS, I might favor Thor...based on JLA, I'd probably swing slightly in the other direction, though as you noted, Thor seems able to take an absurd amount of damage.


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motifian


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Superman oneshots Thor.


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Visitor


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IMHO both movies (JLA and Supes vs. Batman) are--well trash.  There are so many things they could have done better it's ridiculous.

For example in JLA, the team discusses the dangers of bringing back Superman, knowing there is a chance he may be mentally deranged.  

They bring him back yet didn't prep for it actually happening????  Batman doesn't bring kryptonite with him from the last movie?  What the hell???

I could pick this movie apart so badly it's absurd.  And like others have stated, they've powered Supes up so much then why even have a team going forward?  No one else is needed.  So stupid and a total waste of what could have been.   





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Knight


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Since I hate Super Necksnapper with a passion, Thor kerbstomps that fake into oblivion and then brings him back from the dead for dying too soon so Thor can obliterate him again.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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RodimusPrime


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I mean, Superman would probably win pretty soundly, but I'd be pulling for Thor.


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Oliva


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    The latest Movie ones here for each of them!


Superman: has HV, Super-Strength/Durability, ability to fly and run at Super-Speed.

Thor: has Super-Strength and an amazing Durability Factor, Expert at hand to hand combat, can shoot powerful lightning bolts from virtually every part of his body and even more powerful lightning bolts from the sky above; and it seems that he could ride the lightning as a mode of transportation.

What makes Superman dangerous is the ability to hit someone with super-speed (whether he's flying or running), simply because it carries more momentum.

What makes Thor dangerous is the combination of his super-strength and his lightning Projection. For instance, the blows he gave the Hulk with this combination pales in comparison to the blow that destroyed the Bifrost-when it took several blows from MJOLNIR to accomplish the same. Moreover, the HUGE lightning bolt he hit Hela with was so powerful that she went through tons of concrete/steel. The fact that Thor took such a beating from the Hulk when he had Thor on the Arena ground clearly states that it will be extremely hard to put him down.

Conclusion, there is no question that Superman can hurt Thor using his strength/super speed combination. However, Thor durability factor is on another level compare to most conventional Super-Heroes. This means that Thor can take most of what Superman can dish out. However, the deciding factor is that if Superman physically punches Thor he will in turn get zapped with huge amount of electricity, because Thor himself is acting as an electrical conductor- like touching a falling electrical wire with abnormally high amount of voltage (never mind if Thor hits him fully charge as in the case of the Hulk or worse as in the case of the Bifrost; which could possibly kill Superman). Now, what will give Thor the easy victory is the lightning bolts raining down on Superman from above and from Thor himself. A severely stunned Superman could certainly not survive a Mega lightning bolt from above.





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MysteryMan


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    to make it a decent team movie...IMO JLA Superman was significantly stronger than he was shown in Batman v Superman, at least in how he was presented alongside WW and Batman's toys.



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    Based on BM v Superman and MOS, I might favor Thor...based on JLA, I'd probably swing slightly in the other direction, though as you noted, Thor seems able to take an absurd amount of damage.


I guess personally I was ok with Superman being basically equal to the rest of the teams might and have no issue with this. He could have solo'd Steppenwulf I agree...but he could not have saved all those people or maybe even stopped Steps plans. I think the message was...no matter how powerful you are...you still need teammates and support and that Superman the most powerful of them is the one who actually understands this best (they brought him back for raw power).

As to who would win...agree with almost everyone on Thors insane last movie showing durability....for most part...tazers seem to be his kryptonite ;P

IMO Supes wins this...not because he is overall more powerful then Thor...but due to his insane speed levels and equal level of durability. I was amazed when WW went to pull out her ace in the hole attack that messed up Ares and Supes just zips up and stops her from clicking her bracers together.

If supes doesn't use his super speed and Thor uses his lighting...definitely Thor wins though.


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makkari1


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    IMHO both movies (JLA and Supes vs. Batman) are--well trash.  There are so many things they could have done better it's ridiculous.



    For example in JLA, the team discusses the dangers of bringing back Superman, knowing there is a chance he may be mentally deranged.  

    They bring him back yet didn't prep for it actually happening????  Batman doesn't bring kryptonite with him from the last movie?  What the hell???
DC & Warner
Bros. are playing catch up to Marvel and they are doing a horrible job
of it. All their movies seems rushed and the character's thrown together
quickly. wonder Woman was the only exception to this but her role in the JLA is so badly used it sort of painful to watch. I'm just not sure if DC will get it together.


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    I could pick this movie apart so badly it's absurd.  And like others have stated, they've powered Supes up so much then why even have a team going forward?  No one else is needed.  So stupid and a total waste of what could have been.
This DC's problem to bear. They made Superman more powerful than all the other DC characters over the years and this continues into the movies. Seriously everyone can really just go home and leave everything to Supes.   







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JesusFan


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Maybe in your fan story, but as shown on the screen...

Superman would KO Odinson pretty quick!


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JesusFan


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Thor would be hitting Supes with his lightning, alal Cap in Kingdom Come, but then Kal would go Flash mode on Him and take himn out...


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JesusFan


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Superman has that true flight, and Flash moide, how woudl thor counter that?


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JesusFan


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Superman is always though shown as being their most powerful member,and each on of the Team brings their own strenghts...
And when Darkseid shows up, they will be really glad Kal was brought back!


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JesusFan


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Not really, for Supes still needs the rest of thre team, as Bats still plans way better, WW can lead and deal with gods and magic, Cyborg has the tech, AM his telepathy and ocean powers, and Flash has His speedforce powers!Why have the Avengers then, since Thor going all out can wreak all of them anyways?


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Zeeder


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Mainly due to Movie Thor's insane durability, and ability to strike with lighting anywhere at anytime.

Superman seemed to outclass the rest of the JLA, but was that a good showing for him or a low showing for them? Wonderwoman was the only member with a movie. And I don't recall her greatest powerfeat? Lifting a tank?


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Marvelfan


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The JLA Superman was portrayed more powerful than the Batman vs. Superman version and even the Batman versus Superman version would have stomped Thor.

Thor's lightning? It is nothing against a Nuke or even the EP that Doomsday created.

Thor's strength? I have not seen anything that is even close to the power output that was shown to be created by the Kryptonians and Superman in MOS.

Thor's durability? He survived to be hit by Hulk who is also way below Superman in power in the movies.

In the movie versions, Superman is to Thor what Thor is to Spider-Man (in fact, I think Spidey is nearer to Thor than Thor to Superman).

Superman would have won against Surtur without a sweat as well as against Hela.


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Zeeder


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or anyone in the JLA movie?

I recall stephenwolf being exiled by his own parademons.


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Would be Watcher


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...but it changes little to the portraiyal given.

I can't imagine Thor winning vs the Superman we were presented in JLA. The speed difference makes any fight way too unfair.



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bd2999


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He did not KO him, but he had him outmatched so much that he seemingly could have done it whenever he wanted.




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motifian


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Superman tanked Doomsday's lightning attack which ripped apart buildings like nothing. Thor is not stunning him with lightning.


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Superman wins and quite easily.





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makkari1


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    Not really, for Supes still needs the rest of thre team, as Bats still plans way better, WW can lead and deal with gods and magic, Cyborg has the tech, AM his telepathy and ocean powers, and Flash has His speedforce powers!Why have the Avengers then, since Thor going all out can wreak all of them anyways?


I agree that Cavill's Superman seems to not as smart as his comic book counterpart or Reeves Superman. Comic Book Superman builds life robots to fool even the best/smartest persons. He has Flash like speed and the sheer power and strength he has more than compensates for any battle skill edge Wonder Woman has. So far Supes has yet to face any DC magic users so I'm not sure what magic edge Diana have right now maybe this will be shown in later movies. I'm still not convinced of the importance of AM in the movies. Unless DC plans to do a major water battle in the future I'd rather have Green Lantern to replace him. If Supes moved like Flash all the time the other team members would really be in his way. The need for Superman was even stated in a movie promo where Steppen Wolf eluded to Earth as having no protectors (Lantern or Kryptonians) which really prompted his attack on Earth. Steppen Wolf cared little about the Amazonians and it wasn't until Supes showed up that the battle turned in the JLA's favor. Batman said the world needs Superman but Superman said the world doesn't need Batman. Physical performance wise Supes is probably MVP of the team because there is not much he can't do when pressed to do it.   

As for Thor at least in the comics has had periods where he wasn't even on the team. The Avengers seem to operate without him when they have to. Its really when things really get crazy does he show up. Thor is not Marvel's flagship character so him missing from the team at times is something they can manage.
     




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MysteryMan


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    Superman has that true flight, and Flash moide, how woudl thor counter that?


Thor should be able to fly like Storm does and flight is not a huge advantage to weather controllers...the speed is the issue I think that gives it to Supes in the movies.


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JesusFan


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Then you would agree that he should win?


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JesusFan


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New Thor is mor epowerful than he was before though, as in accessing his full lightning power!


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JesusFan


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Superman Flash mode is something Thor has to counter, but how?


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JesusFan


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The Wolf took on WW and Aquaman same time, and was beating both down,m and Superman was punching him around like was his own ping pong ball!


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makkari1


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    New Thor is mor epowerful than he was before though, as in accessing his full lightning power!
I quite don't get you? Are you advocating Thor or Supes? Make up your mind. If Supes wins then he wins, no matter what Thor does and if Thor wins then no matter what Supes does matters.




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makkari1


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    The Wolf took on WW and Aquaman same time, and was beating both down, and Superman was punching him around like was his own ping pong ball!
Which makes no sense after WW carved up Doomsday she should have done similar to Steppen Wolf but she was watered down in this movie.




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