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seeker


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Trump is the official holder of the highest office in the United States. As such, he wields a lot of power and is someone that should be paid attention to. But looking back at his first year and office and reading news stories from various sources Trump comes across almost as a figurehead.

Does the Media focus too much on Trump? Is he almost a figurehead? Contrary to every president since WWII Trump tends not to take the lead on issues. He lets Congress to try and develop legislation. Trump comes across as ignorant of things ranging from policy details to proper protocol. He appears to have no policy aside from vague generalizations. Meetings, memos, briefings, etc have to be kept short and with a focus on him. His subordinates have several times contradicted or ignored what he says. Kelly comes across as parent babysitting a bunch of children. Trump has a willingness to change his mind on things depending on who is in the room at the time or last spoke to him. Several articles quoted sources that Trump will sign things or focus on things if it is made about him or will make him look good. I recall one article where one of his cabinet members said they were glad Trump had the spotlight focused on him because it allowed him to work unimpeded.

All in all, Trump doesn't sound much like a leader. He doesn't have any real plan and the Media focuses too much on him. Instead, it sounds like his subornitates run things and manipulate him. Shouldn't the Media focus more on them then? How much does Trump truly run things?


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Rolf_Rowan


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His entire campaign was based on getting the media to pay attention to him.


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Superman's Pal

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As someone pointed out, we have the first internet-troll President. He's like the troll who shows up on your favorite message board and says that the thing you like is stupid. The media are the 20 message board regulars who spend hours writing long missives trying to prove him wrong when they should simply ignore him. Everyone knows you don't feed the trolls, because that's exactly what they want.

They should focus exclusively on legislation he's pushing for or getting passed, and ignore his Twitter feed. And like you say, focus on the rest of the administration and Congress and such. They do cover that a bit but it does get lost in all the fluff. Which is the point of the fluff, I'm sure.


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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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as you said this is the president. Every president is covered in depth. This is a different age but in any age the president is probably the most covered individual in the media. Or at least in more modern times. At least that would be my wager.

Trump also acts differently than any other politician to this point. Ignoring norms, promoting conspiracy theories, ignoring ethics, mixing business and government, needless conflict with allies, support to more authoritarian governments.

Add that to the WH confirming that tweets are considered official statements and they all have to be covered as much as previous memos would be.

It is hard not to cover the guy when he is dragging the US political system into horrible areas. Making an entire party a joke, in the sense that they are all backing the conspiracy theories that he supports and at this point demanding loyalty to him above nearly all else.

He is very much a figure head and a representation more than any significant policy understanding at this point. Depending on what side you fall on he is either saying what folks are saying (who those folks are and why they should be listened to I have no idea) or a lunatic.

I think one could make a case that from the primaries to now he has been covered too much but at the same time he has both sought it and fought the media at every turn. He says really stupid and out there things nearly daily. He makes accusations and still attacks political enemies.

It would almost be funny if he was not into the process of ceding world power to China and other powers, turning the FBI into a group of loyalists at all costs, turning the DoJ into lackies, removing the EPA and so on and so forth. To say nothing of just hiring his kids to important posts for which they lack all experience or knowledge. That and needlessly turning so many against the media when they are telling the truth (the media deserves criticism but most of what Trump calls fake news is not and most of what Trump says is fake).

He should be covered. As he is a very dangerous person in nearly every respect. The people he puts in positions of power to be even worse.




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MysteryMan


Member Since: Fri Apr 28, 2017
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    They should focus exclusively on legislation he's pushing for or getting passed, and ignore his Twitter feed. And like you say, focus on the rest of the administration and Congress and such. They do cover that a bit but it does get lost in all the fluff. Which is the point of the fluff, I'm sure.


Exactly...stick to facts and reports on what he is doing. Good or bad...mostly bad. Stop taking the bait and burying important issues in a deluge of stupid meaningless knee-jerk responses to everything he says.


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atrimus


Location: Saint Louis, MO
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    As someone pointed out, we have the first internet-troll President. He's like the troll who shows up on your favorite message board and says that the thing you like is stupid. The media are the 20 message board regulars who spend hours writing long missives trying to prove him wrong when they should simply ignore him. Everyone knows you don't feed the trolls, because that's exactly what they want.


That's the thing. As much of obvious troll as he is, he's still the President. What he says carries weight, and as such it can't be ignored. I'm not even sure that precedent should be set, to be honest.

That said, I do think the media's too hard on him, which isn't to say he doesn't deserve it. Basically, Trump made it plain as day the type of person he was; it's the people who voted for (and continue to support) him that deserve all the derision.


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    They should focus exclusively on legislation he's pushing for or getting passed, and ignore his Twitter feed. And like you say, focus on the rest of the administration and Congress and such. They do cover that a bit but it does get lost in all the fluff. Which is the point of the fluff, I'm sure.






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atrimus


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      They should focus exclusively on legislation he's pushing for or getting passed, and ignore his Twitter feed. And like you say, focus on the rest of the administration and Congress and such. They do cover that a bit but it does get lost in all the fluff. Which is the point of the fluff, I'm sure.



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    Exactly...stick to facts and reports on what he is doing. Good or bad...mostly bad. Stop taking the bait and burying important issues in a deluge of stupid meaningless knee-jerk responses to everything he says.


Facts are kinda pointless to his supporters though. Any negative (albeit, accurate) thing that's said about him or his policies he either brushes off as fake news, as bias, or both, and the people who elected him gobble it up.





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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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While a good analogy to a point, internet trolls do not have much of an impact on anybody unless you let them. Being the president gives a person pretty decent power over a ton of people. Not sure if ignoring the problem makes it any better.




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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Ironically, how many of his supporters define "fake news" is pretty much what I do not agree with. That is what it has always been for Trump but it is a major problem.

That and many know that he is lying but do not care.

Alternative facts, fake news and so on. They are pretty much a cancer to any rational discussion. We are no longer having debates on the best course leading to a given outcome. We are arguing over if a problem is even real or not.

Arguing if the fire is real with somebody while it rages around you is not a good use of time.




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Superman's Pal

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I guess what I'm saying is be selective. If he's tweeting about Obama or Hillary or someone that has no impact on anything, why take the bait? If he's tweeting about taking credit for something he didn't do, ignore it. If he's tweeting about war with North Korea or immigration policy or something that might actually have an effect, then maybe pay attention.


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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Fair, but the line gets fuzzy.

His attacks on Hillary for instance are the same as his opinions that he expresses to individuals in the DoJ and the FBI. So he is basically turning the DoJ into an attack dog to go after former political enemies. For things they already looked into. If they broke the law than fine, but seems he is the last person to cast stones for some of the things he is throwing.

That is one example.

It is sort of pathetic the standards we hold the president to now. Seems like they are the same standards folks have for your average toddler.




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Unstable Molecule


Location: Calgary, AB Canada
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When the President of the United States - arguably the most powerful person in the world - makes outrageous and inflammatory statements, over and over again - how can you blame the media for making a big deal about it?

I recently saw an interview with The Mooch where he essentially said that President Trump finds it amusing when he whips up the media. That's practically the definition of a troll. What's REALLY hilarious is when Trump says things that implicate him in criminal activity, for example:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/937007006526959618







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Unstable Molecule


Location: Calgary, AB Canada
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    It is sort of pathetic the standards we hold the president to now. Seems like they are the same standards folks have for your average toddler.

It will be interesting to see what will happen when the Dems are back in power. The righteous indignation that we saw from Fox News and the Republicans during the Obama era (and even the Clinton era) will look ridiculously hypocritical now that they've bent over backwards to excuse Trump's constant immoral, boorish behavior.





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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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They will do like they did with Obama and pretend things did not happen before that point in time more than likely.

I think I am more frustrated by the lack of oversight. If your party is in Congress than it is always true that you will get less scrutiny than otherwise. That is a fact.

However, this has been taken to a new level with the dodging and just going with some pretty crazy claims without any evidence to back it just because. Just rough in every respect. We go from Obama getting mobbed all of the time, and usually long after the fact, for various things on political grounds.

I am rambling, but it would be nice if we could get to an iteration of things where actual issues would be looked into and then the results and consequences handled in as non-partisan way as possible.




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zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    As someone pointed out, we have the first internet-troll President. He's like the troll who shows up on your favorite message board and says that the thing you like is stupid. The media are the 20 message board regulars who spend hours writing long missives trying to prove him wrong when they should simply ignore him. Everyone knows you don't feed the trolls, because that's exactly what they want.


It is what Trump wants, but as horrified as the news media is about it, they also cover it because it causes controversy and controversy sells. In other words, it literally pays for the news media to cover the nonsense as well as what's substantive. Viewership is up across most media outlets since Trump became president.



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zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    It will be interesting to see what will happen when the Dems are back in power. The righteous indignation that we saw from Fox News and the Republicans during the Obama era (and even the Clinton era) will look ridiculously hypocritical now that they've bent over backwards to excuse Trump's constant immoral, boorish behavior.


Yes, indeed, but looking hypocritical has never deterred the Republican Party from doing anything. Their shamelessness actually helps them get their way. If voters punished them for it, they wouldn't be in power now.




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atrimus


Location: Saint Louis, MO
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    Ironically, how many of his supporters define "fake news" is pretty much what I do not agree with. That is what it has always been for Trump but it is a major problem.



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    That and many know that he is lying but do not care.



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    Alternative facts, fake news and so on. They are pretty much a cancer to any rational discussion. We are no longer having debates on the best course leading to a given outcome. We are arguing over if a problem is even real or not.



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    Arguing if the fire is real with somebody while it rages around you is not a good use of time.


Exactly




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MysteryMan


Member Since: Fri Apr 28, 2017
Posts: 2,106


We cant even agree on what the definition of a word means anymore...so screaming fire is useless.


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