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I am not reading Ultimates, and only know what I read on the board since well, I really liked the old universe. So, if this is iteration 8 of the universe and its not just a modification of 7, but a new universe of its own, it has a whole back history to the big bang, correct? If thats true, why are order and chaos just know killing the living tribunal? Wouldnt they have figured that out a few million years ago?

And if its just an alteration to iteration 7, (which is the way it seems) then continuity really makes no sense on a number of points.

At least DC gave us "the history of the DC universe" book right after COIE. We got nothing except confusion.

Which is it?


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Jim




Universe 8 it is. It's made from different isos and makes objects more powerful.

Another thing of note is that majority of history is the same but added characters from different worlds. Marvels earth is prime earth now, not 616.

There's some universes that nevervwas restored and some destroyed in a different way that didn't require incursions.

San the battle world ship people, 05 xmen, Dr strange, doom, the ffm the rest onnearth are copies.


The abstracts are fighting in the concept realm of the Superflow. The rules are different now regardless if abstracts are unaware of that.


Maker is going to collaspe the multiverse into one universe, making enitity stronger. Note not a merge of history or end of earths, think possibly one universe...infinte earths soon.

With a new abstract order.




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Reverend Meteor


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    I am not reading Ultimates, and only know what I read on the board since well, I really liked the old universe. So, if this is iteration 8 of the universe and its not just a modification of 7, but a new universe of its own, it has a whole back history to the big bang, correct? If thats true, why are order and chaos just know killing the living tribunal? Wouldnt they have figured that out a few million years ago?


The truth is...there is no truth yet. The multiverse is in a state of flux where things are still being sussed out after the recent Secret Wars crossover and the multiverse collapsing during Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers runs. There is disagreement among the cosmic powers about what exactly happened and what their response should be. Some cosmic beings think it's a new universe where new rules should apply while other cosmic beings think it's just a continuation of the old order and everything should remain exactly as it was....and some of the ones who think it should remain that way are paradoxically willing to reinvent themselves to destroy anyone and anything in order to keep things the same.


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    And if its just an alteration to iteration 7, (which is the way it seems) then continuity really makes no sense on a number of points.





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    At least DC gave us "the history of the DC universe" book right after COIE. We got nothing except confusion.


There's so few changes between 7 and 8 I don't think you need a manual. Ultimate Reed and Spider-Miles have been ported over and their are some cosmological changes...but nothing that important outside of the events in the Ultimates book IMO. The mess of things is acknowledged as a mess that is being untangled in Ultimates. In your head you think their is a new status quo. The new status quo has not quite coalesced just yet.

Basically what I'm saying is Ewing has managed to take Hickman's turds from Secret Wars/New Avengers and is doing his best to make lemonade with them in Ultimates. (don't drink lemonade made from turds...no good will come of it).

But that's really the only place off the top of my head where this Secret Wars drivel matters.






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Roll eyes.



Eh


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Could you elaborate?



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    I am not reading Ultimates, and only know what I read on the board since well, I really liked the old universe. So, if this is iteration 8 of the universe and its not just a modification of 7, but a new universe of its own, it has a whole back history to the big bang, correct? If thats true, why are order and chaos just know killing the living tribunal? Wouldnt they have figured that out a few million years ago?


As far as I can tell, the universe did not just restart per se. Events of the past pretty much occurred as they did in the universe before, but it was changed to this point in time. Galactus has still been and still hungered and so on. And they remember the balance that was. So, it does not seem to be a hard restart.

More like something that is leaving the cosmics confused. Order and Chaos were stuck in the old rules. That came out when the Ultimates change Galactus more than anything. The ydid not know anything was different from the previous universe.

It is why they went to the LT and why Galactus was able to beat them both down the first time.


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    And if its just an alteration to iteration 7, (which is the way it seems) then continuity really makes no sense on a number of points.


It does, because it was not a hard restart. The stuff that happened still happened.


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    At least DC gave us "the history of the DC universe" book right after COIE. We got nothing except confusion.


Not really, the Marvel cosmic scale was never 100% clear either. Better than DC, but still not clear (really, DCs right now is pretty vague). I mean the order of things in Marvel came into being when characters were pulled in to make it something.

And it was unveiled in the comics over time. I do not see a reason why stories should be skipped and everything explained at once just because it is easier. Why not tell a story with it too? It is what the medium is.


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      I am not reading Ultimates, and only know what I read on the board since well, I really liked the old universe. So, if this is iteration 8 of the universe and its not just a modification of 7, but a new universe of its own, it has a whole back history to the big bang, correct? If thats true, why are order and chaos just know killing the living tribunal? Wouldnt they have figured that out a few million years ago?



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    The truth is...there is no truth yet. The multiverse is in a state of flux where things are still being sussed out after the recent Secret Wars crossover and the multiverse collapsing during Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers runs. There is disagreement among the cosmic powers about what exactly happened and what their response should be. Some cosmic beings think it's a new universe where new rules should apply while other cosmic beings think it's just a continuation of the old order and everything should remain exactly as it was....and some of the ones who think it should remain that way are paradoxically willing to reinvent themselves to destroy anyone and anything in order to keep things the same.



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      And if its just an alteration to iteration 7, (which is the way it seems) then continuity really makes no sense on a number of points.

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        At least DC gave us "the history of the DC universe" book right after COIE. We got nothing except confusion.



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    There's so few changes between 7 and 8 I don't think you need a manual. Ultimate Reed and Spider-Miles have been ported over and their are some cosmological changes...but nothing that important outside of the events in the Ultimates book IMO. The mess of things is acknowledged as a mess that is being untangled in Ultimates. In your head you think their is a new status quo. The new status quo has not quite coalesced just yet.



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    Basically what I'm saying is Ewing has managed to take Hickman's turds from Secret Wars/New Avengers and is doing his best to make lemonade with them in Ultimates. (don't drink lemonade made from turds...no good will come of it).



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    But that's really the only place off the top of my head where this Secret Wars drivel matters.


I conceptually liked SWs. The main issue for me was it was too drawn out. The lead in to me was great and the stuff with Doom and Reed was fitting, but parts of it did fall flat.






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Jim




The incursions never happened. Pnly in memory it did.


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HickMans run was great. Anyway it's a different universe with a similar past. But not everything is the same, many folded in from different worlds. And ultimate universe never existed stand alone.

Plus prime earth is the center.


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    The incursions never happened. Pnly in memory it did.


From what I gather it is a did but they didn't sort of situation. They happened, because we saw it, but it was in an unaltered reality sort of thing. In the current situation they appear to have been removed with the restart.

But it is more or less like the IG user snapping their fingers and fixing things.




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