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I sense that "final" may be a relative term....


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    I sense that "final" may be a relative term....


Another final infinity trilogy?



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D. Strange


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When he was here in Detroit a few years ago, he was selling a book, that I couldn't afford.

He said it explained why he would never work for Marvel again.

I;m not sue the guy who wrote a story called Marvel: THE END, that sacrificed Thanos... just to use him again in a planned ongoing series, which referenced THE END, is very firm on the word "final."

I am interested on what he does with Eros. He is right, they never did much with him (that I can recall at least) and what they hae done only rarely interested me.

He has treaded the Thanos ground so many times, i am excited what he does with a character he barely touched.




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Well Eros was a tertiary character at best and his run with the Avengers was not that memorable so yeah some development for him would be nice.

THE END mini series and all other THE END stories were alternate timelines that didn't affect the main MU but it did give Starlin a chance to create the "starlin-verse" where his subsequent Thanos/warlock stories would occur.

But as I recall he has clashed with editorial before over things such as the direction with Thanos and left as a result but time passes, Editor in Chief changes and money talks.

Now if Starlin would do a resurrection of Mar-Vell story before he leaves Marvel.....


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    Well Eros was a tertiary character at best and his run with the Avengers was not that memorable so yeah some development for him would be nice.



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    THE END mini series and all other THE END stories were alternate timelines that didn't affect the main MU but it did give Starlin a chance to create the "starlin-verse" where his subsequent Thanos/warlock stories would occur.


um...I don't think that's true. At least not officially.

There was a timeline reset in The End but I don't think it was officially implied in print that starting with The End every time Starlin wrote Thanos it was an alternate timeline. Starlin just sort of implies in interviews that he doesn't pay attention to what other writers do with the character. I don't think an official demarcation point exists...The Infinity Revelation for example referenced non Starlin related Thanos stories. And as recently as Thanos's Infinity Finale we were debating whether that affected 616 continuity or not.


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    But as I recall he has clashed with editorial before over things such as the direction with Thanos and left as a result but time passes, Editor in Chief changes and money talks.



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    Now if Starlin would do a resurrection of Mar-Vell story before he leaves Marvel.....


At this point I wish they would resurrect Mar-Vell so I wouldn't have to hear about it any more. They've dangled that carrot in front of people so often they might as well follow through. If Bucky and Ben Reilly can come back there's no reason to keep Mar-Vell dead. I don't think I personally would enjoy the story but maybe the resurrection will give his fans a much needed catharsis. Maybe they can put Carol back in the black costume...



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    um...I don't think that's true. At least not officially.

    There was a timeline reset in The End but I don't think it was officially implied in print that starting with The End every time Starlin wrote Thanos it was an alternate timeline. Starlin just sort of implies in interviews that he doesn't pay attention to what other writers do with the character. I don't think an official demarcation point exists...The Infinity Revelation for example referenced non Starlin related Thanos stories. And as recently as Thanos's Infinity Finale we were debating whether that affected 616 continuity or not.


I believe you are correct about Marvel The End.

I remember Quesada saying in an interview way back when it was supposed to make death count in the Marvel universe again (I believe Whedon is the one that killed that). Then it is referenced in the Thanos series, which is referenced in later works.

I remember Starlin (through Thanos) taking a shot at the Thanos/Earth's heroes story, Infinity Saying it was like he was someone else.

I remember he liked the Abnettt and Lanning take.

I think the Starlin-verse thing is just an assumption people make, which may or may not be true, base on Marvel's questionable editorial choices involving their cosmic work.


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    At this point I wish they would resurrect Mar-Vell so I wouldn't have to hear about it any more. They've dangled that carrot in front of people so often they might as well follow through. If Bucky and Ben Reilly can come back there's no reason to keep Mar-Vell dead. I don't think I personally would enjoy the story but maybe the resurrection will give his fans a much needed catharsis. Maybe they can put Carol back in the black costume...


I am a firm believer that from a story/character standpoint Mar-Vell should stay dead. But, I am sick of hearing people say he should be resurrected, so... sure(reluctantly).

I think I am on the same page as you. Bringing a character back has to live by one rule, the story that does it has to be at least as good as the one that killed them.

Death of Captain Marvel is a great story.

Bring back Genis and Phyla, and give him an interesting personal arc from the word go.


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Let him do other things, but he's done zillions of Thanos books and storylines at this point. He's pretty much had his say at this point, and he's reeeealy repeating himself. It does sound like he has plans for Eros though, those might be cool. But enough with Thanos and Warlock, Jim.


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Probably for the best if true. His Thanos stories are very much rinse and repeat. I imagine Warlock would show up too.




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Starlin had disputes with them about THANOS around the time of Marvel THE END and the Thanos ongoing and Starlin left.

Marvel eventually sweet talks him back and now years later the bridge is burned again.

With due respect to Marvel, you really need to stop alienating classic talent like Starlin and Layton.


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    Probably for the best if true. His Thanos stories are very much rinse and repeat. I imagine Warlock would show up too.


I will admit he did pique my interest with the bit about developing more about Starfox in the upcoming trilogy.



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Yes DoCM was a good story and it did do a good job of conveying the sense of pain, dread and inevitability one faces when suffering a terminal illness.

However I still believe that in allowing Starlin to write that story, that Marvel boxed themselves into a corner in terms of bringing him back.

Characters who perish from bullets, bombs, lasers, teleport errors, time warps, etc. get to come back. Dying from a terminal disease is a little tricky to reverse.

It would take the following to bring Marv back:

1. Cosmic Cube, it can warp reality and a cube was used to revive TORO, the Android Torch's sidekick from the dead for the big 70th anniversary of the golden age characters. if it can take a long forgotten character like him back to life, it can revive Mar-Vell.

2. Reality Gem : it did it before and can do it again.

3. Time Gem: could be used to slightly warp time so Marv is never exposed to the gas or else temporally diverge his timeline like Immortus did with the Torch so that there were TWO Torches and one is rebuilt into the Vision.

4. Infinity Gauntlet

5. Eternity/Infinity

6. Death herself. She is the one that restored Thanos to life in the 90's for a mission to wipe out half the cosmos to restore balance to the universe. She could have a reason for bringing Marv back, perhaps to shut down Thanos again?

7. The Phoenix force it did it in the Avengers vs Xmen story and could do it again.

The problem as stated before when Thanos used the Reality Gem and when the Phoenix brought Marv back is that he currently does NOT want to come back. He chooses to remain dead thus his spirit is considered at peace for the most part and is not seeking to come back.

Marv CHOSE to become the Protector of the Universe after EON showed him the error of his ways.

Marv CHOSE to accept the kiss of death after Thanos' spirit came to him in his final moments and lectured him about Death.

Marv has chosen to remain dead. So whatever story revives him must have him change his mind first.

There are stories to be told of a revived Marv.

How would the people of Earth react? Will they see him as a messiah? A monster? an abomination in the eyes of the Almighty? When Captain Skrull-Vell was around we saw a cult of mar-vell spring up, is that cult still around?

How would the remaining KREE react? Do they still think him a traitor or did saving them from the Phoenix redeem him in their eyes?

How about Ronan the Accuser? he has long had a grudge against Mar-Vell

How about the assorted species of the universe itself?


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He was also screwed over in the 90s by Marvel, and the 80s by DC.

As I stated above... or maybe below... he told me at a show that his then new autobiographical/art book described why he would never work for Marvel again.

I didn't buy the book since it was expensive, and I short on funds at the time. It has since sky-rocketed in price.

Anyway in a recent interview, he said he thought the change in editorial staff would fix the problem, but it hasn't. I wonder if it is systemic, or connected Quesada... who I believe still has contact with Brevoort.

That is just wondering, though. Of course the pattern is something to notice, even if it is just Marvel's bad choices as a company... which is the most likely culprit.


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Your forgot The Supreme Intelligence, who I believe DID resurrect him in Avengers vs. X-Men... only for him to die again.

I agree, there are plenty of ways for him to come back. And there are some interesting stories that could come from him, though I don't see Earthlings being where most of it would be.

I especially think that the return of Genis and Phyla would add interesting things. Especially his relationship with Genis, a larger call to arms for him out of inspiration... or even seeing his father as less than he thought he had been.

Would Marv have issues with some of the ways Genis lived his life and carried on his name?

What of his views on how Adam Warlock handled being Thanos de facto adversary, in Marv's absence?

What are his thoughts on the seeming (to me) lack of protector of the universe? Is it better for him to somehow ascend to Eon's place (is he still alive? I have seen him, but have no knowledge of his/her return)?

A relationship with the Silver Surfer and/or Warlock has potential.

MArv's response to a less cosmic and less together universe in the wake of Annihilation and Secret Wars.

HOWEVER, as I said, my gripe is two fold. One is that the story has to be as good as DoCM. By no means an easy task. Starlin wrote it as a way to deal with his father's death (along with his sickness in his Eerie series), so he may not be easy to get. However there are plenty of other talented writers. But it does need to be At least as good. That is what I am most adamant about... as if what I think matters to anyone.

The other problem (for me) is that Captain MArvel has been dead the whole time I have been reading comics. As I read Starlin's Amazing run, Englehart's underrated stories, and Moench's pretty decent tales, I knew he would die. It was a verey interesting way to read it.

It makes for a very interesting and strong reading. IN many ways, him coming back would almost be like UNcle BEn coming back.

But he ISN't Uncle Ben. It could happen.

I guess to make a way too long point short... I wouldn't suggest bringing Mar-Vell back. I wouldn't say I want it. I would say it was a bad idea. I would however pick it up if it was all done well. I would also be open.

Hope this makes sense


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    He was also screwed over in the 90s by Marvel, and the 80s by DC.



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    As I stated above... or maybe below... he told me at a show that his then new autobiographical/art book described why he would never work for Marvel again.



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    I didn't buy the book since it was expensive, and I short on funds at the time. It has since sky-rocketed in price.



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    Anyway in a recent interview, he said he thought the change in editorial staff would fix the problem, but it hasn't. I wonder if it is systemic, or connected Quesada... who I believe still has contact with Brevoort.


Even though I always complain about how formulaic Starlin's recent stuff is I'd still probably blame Brevoort. I think he was the one who pushed for the recent Secret Wars story and this current era of suck. He needs to go.





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    That is just wondering, though. Of course the pattern is something to notice, even if it is just Marvel's bad choices as a company... which is the most likely culprit.






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    How would the people of Earth react? Will they see him as a messiah? A monster? an abomination in the eyes of the Almighty? When Captain Skrull-Vell was around we saw a cult of mar-vell spring up, is that cult still around?


I don't think they should care. The Marvel red shirts (i.e. people) don't look up to Marvel heroes as Gods like the creepy normals at DC. They're used to heroes and villains coming back from the dead and they're often not that fond of them in the first place



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    How would the remaining KREE react? Do they still think him a traitor or did saving them from the Phoenix redeem him in their eyes?


Well he was a pink Kree. I don't think you're going to get a lot of the blues to sign off on accepting him as a savior. The blue Kree are in like the bible belt of space racism.



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    Well he was a pink Kree. I don't think you're going to get a lot of the blues to sign off on accepting him as a savior. The blue Kree are in like the bible belt of space racism.


Or something like that.

That does raise an interesting question though, of how would the Blue Kree respond to a pink Kree being that powerful, and able to escape death.


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    I don't think they should care. The Marvel red shirts (i.e. people) don't look up to Marvel heroes as Gods like the creepy normals at DC. They're used to heroes and villains coming back from the dead and they're often not that fond of them in the first place


Agree, I don't remember him being that big of a deal on Earth when he was alive. At least compared to the Avengers and Fantastic Four, who seemingly came back from the dead fare Onslaught. As well as every other time one of them died and came back.


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I think Quesada and Brevoort still control Marvel Comics behind the scenes. Considering they were responsible for helping to save the company I would be surprised if it were otherwise.


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Iron Man Unit 007


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Ah but news of Marv's illness and impending death was spread among the stars.

Earth knew it, the Kree knew it, the Skrulls knew it, the Watcher knew it, and so on.

Also as I recall in the Skrull-Vell mini-series, the people of Earth did react when they saw him appear in the first issue and take down the enemy that was attacking.

Yes Avengers and FF die and return with some disturbing amount of regularity (ie: arrogant writers stamping their foot and demanding they bring back certain characters, Magneto, Collossus....) but none of them perished the way Marv did.

As to the Kree, he DID save Hala from the Phoenix in Avengers/X-men at the cost of his renewed life. Surely even the blue Kree would recognize him as a hero for that?


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