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Markl27


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Bring them back and just stop messing with them. Baxter building/no kids/no 12 issue arcs. Just the Fantastic Four. please? I mean I said please....


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Iron Maiden 

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Comic book companies don't use newsprint anymore. From what I understand, there is no cost savings. Plus everything is done mostly done digitally and the colors won't reproduce very well.

And I don't agree about not having the kids but different strokes, etc.

IMO that's what makes them unique...they are Marvel's First Family.


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D. Strange


Member Since: Tue Sep 19, 2017
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No, it is cheaper to print on newsprint.

However, you are right, it is harder to reproduce colors on newsprint.


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D. Strange


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I am certainly own with shorter stories. We have had 15 years of decompression, can we stop now.

As for the kids. I don't think that anybody really likes Val. I think it should be revealed that she and the alternate reality Jean Grey should be secretly responsible for all the upheaval i the Marvel U in the past few years.

She has screamed supervillian since she first talked and was revealed to be a super genius beyond super geniuses. Terrible idea

Franklin? Well, he has his moments, but the whole little kid thing and inability to nail down an age, can be taxing.

So, what can you do? Reed and Sue can't abandon their kids. Killing them would drastically shift the nature of the book.

I say send them off to some Xavier like school. It makes sense for powers, brains, and safety. They are the Fantastic Four, so they can visit when they need to,taking away any issues of boarding school, and takes them away from being underfoot.

Most of the parenting can be done off panel with visits referenced, or shown just as they are ending or beginning. It also keeps them as potential for future stories.



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Reverend Meteor


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    Comic book companies don't use newsprint anymore. From what I understand, there is no cost savings. Plus everything is done mostly done digitally and the colors won't reproduce very well.



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    And I don't agree about not having the kids but different strokes, etc.



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    IMO that's what makes them unique...they are Marvel's First Family.


I liked the first family better when they didn't have Franklin or Valeria.



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Iron Maiden 

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Once Reed and Sue got married it was practically inevitable that a child would come along.
Like the old rhyme, First comes love, the comes marriage, the comes baby in the baby carriage. It was the 1960s after all.

There was that one time that they took Franklin to a private school, which as I recall just before Waid's run. He didn't follow up on that but it would be one way to take him out of the title for a while. Before that, Franklin and Valeria von Doom were sent to stay with Roma towards the end of Claremont's FF when there was the threat of the Chaos Wave.

I still like the concept of the Future Foundation and maybe this is why we are not seeing Reed and Sue back. They might be a roster change in the wind and they may keep running the Future Foundation but somewhere away from danger.




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Iron Maiden 

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    No, it is cheaper to print on newsprint.



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    However, you are right, it is harder to reproduce colors on newsprint.


There is another paper stock that they could use and its the one that fashion magazines, Vanity Fair or Sports Illustrated, etc. uses. It's thinner but produces high def photography pretty well.




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brokenrobot


Member Since: Sat Feb 18, 2017
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Wouldn't it make more sense to make the comic a digital exclusive for download in the current era. If there's enough demand they can always print copies or tpb's later on for the direct market.


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D. Strange


Member Since: Tue Sep 19, 2017
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I don't think digital is doing as well as people think.

Marvel's perpetual surprise sales, and known sales, make me think that they are desperately TRYING to make it a thing when it isn't.

Also, almost every attempt to do a digital first or only comic has failed. Even Batman couldn't make it work for very long.

Maybe the idea is that it could make it a thing. And perhaps that is the case. Or perhaps it would be throwing good money after bad.

The idea of comics being cheaper if digitized (which I think was your point) is not very accurate. Only one company has cheaper comics when digital, and that is Image. They only drop it $0.50, last I checked.

The money goes mostly to salaries... for everybody from writers to secretaries and janitors.



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Count Dante


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There are pros and cons with the kids. I agree that it makes sense that Reed and Sue would expand the family. It's not the kids that are the problem - it is what Marvel does with them. Let them develop and grow and be part of the team rather than a constant "damsel in distress" trope. Spider-Man started young. Let Franklin and Valeria learn to be second generation FF. Even if they are shipped off to boarding school, they can be useful when they do appear.

The FF can stay core but have associate members. Johnny can become more competent. Reed can be less weird again. Ben can be less teddy-bearish.

The FF should be a formidable team of explorers with enough power to take on the Avengers, IMO. The FF is Marvel's flagship team. Reed should be miles above Stark in technology. Ben should be near Hulk class. Add support members to mix and you have a legit super-hero organization. I don't see why this is so hard for Marvel.

Regardless, I don't want to see the FF return until Marvel gets its house in order. The overtly PC ANAD tainted Marvel is simply atrocious and I wouldn't likely want an FF title under the current Marvel anyway.




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Ogrot

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Ogrot agrees with Count. The Marvel Universe of today is really messed-up. Ogrot celebrates diversity, but Marvel should be more creative and come up with original diverse characters instead of co-opting established characters.

There are just too many Spider-Men, Thors, Captain Americas, Hulks, Wolverines, etc. running around the Marvel Universe. Does anyone really want to be a sloppy second instead of a one-of-a-kind original?

Whatever is being developed by Marvel Studios is more than likely going to wind up being printed as comic books. Otherwise, how else can you explain so many lame Inhuman books poppin' up all the time?

Ogrot loves the FF, but wishes they would just end up in some other comic book univers instead of the Marvel Universe. The FF is not broken. The Marvel Universe is.





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Count Dante


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Ogrot: The FF is not broken. The Marvel Universe is.

Exactly!  No amount of tweaking the FF will make a difference until Marvel steers the ship right with the Marvel comic universe.  Marvel has become a laughable PC mess now, on top of a myriad of other problems. I'm not sure the current editorial leadership at Marvel has a clue.  Ask any local comic shop owner - Marvel is tanking badly.

Apparently expecting comics to be fun again is asking too much.





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Reverend Meteor


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    Ogrot agrees with Count. The Marvel Universe of today is really messed-up. Ogrot celebrates diversity, but Marvel should be more creative and come up with original diverse characters instead of co-opting established characters.



    Quote:
    There are just too many Spider-Men, Thors, Captain Americas, Hulks, Wolverines, etc. running around the Marvel Universe. Does anyone really want to be a sloppy second instead of a one-of-a-kind original?



    Quote:
    Whatever is being developed by Marvel Studios is more than likely going to wind up being printed as comic books. Otherwise, how else can you explain so many lame Inhuman books poppin' up all the time?



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    Ogrot loves the FF, but wishes they would just end up in some other comic book univers instead of the Marvel Universe. The FF is not broken. The Marvel Universe is.


So true. Marvel has been inflicted with some sort of political correctness cancer that is destroying their once glorious universe.




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