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Beautiful work by Jim Cheung...and look. Peter is giving Ben a key




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Looks good. I keep wishing it was December already.

Isn't Peter broke nowadays? I wonder how he has that key. (Assuming it's to the Baxter Building.)

I get the feeling we'll be seeing how destructive fire really is as a power. Which is a theme I welcome. I didn't like Waid's run on the FF (for some reason I never like his run on anything) but I remember he drew attention to how hard it is to be the Human Torch, how much restraint and perfect control are required, and I was glad of that emphasis, because it seems legitimate.






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The art is...passable. A bit indie-looking, but not awful. Not sure it works for me yet. But I'll reserve judgement until the issue comes out in January.




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Looks much better than those other schmucks

Johnny and the race car theme again. I guess that's a nice nod to his other ambitions. The whole silly rock star thing made me ill (Millar? Probably)

Hopefully a first order of business will be getting Johnny a new uniform, even if it's an FF throwback or a racing themed thing. I guess the yellow one is a bit, but it's never worked for me. I like the way Cheung is using Alex Ross flames.





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    The art is...passable. A bit indie-looking, but not awful. Not sure it works for me yet. But I'll reserve judgement until the issue comes out in January.


I don't think would call Cheung's art indie looking. IMO he goes back to the classic style of a Hal Foster.



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    Looks good. I keep wishing it was December already.



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    Isn't Peter broke nowadays? I wonder how he has that key. (Assuming it's to the Baxter Building.)



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    I get the feeling we'll be seeing how destructive fire really is as a power. Which is a theme I welcome. I didn't like Waid's run on the FF (for some reason I never like his run on anything) but I remember he drew attention to how hard it is to be the Human Torch, how much restraint and perfect control are required, and I was glad of that emphasis, because it seems legitimate.


That was one of the redeeming parts of Waid's Fantastic Four. He started out badly though, regressing to having Johnny sit around the Baxter building eating cereal and watching TV like he was Franklin's brother instead of uncle. IMO he'd been through too much to revert like that. He was married once to Skrull Alicia for cryin' out loud.



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    That was one of the redeeming parts of Waid's Fantastic Four. He started out badly though, regressing to having Johnny sit around the Baxter building eating cereal and watching TV like he was Franklin's brother instead of uncle. IMO he'd been through too much to revert like that. He was married once to Skrull Alicia for cryin' out loud.


"Johnny was like this in FF #1 so that's how he ought to be, gosh darn it." Same logic that has Reed being drawn like a stringbean and smoking a pipe. Or Doom being written as one-dimensionally megalomaniacal. It's this weird retro stuff, coupled with stupid antics like Johnny becoming Galactus's herald, that turned me off to Waid. I'll be giving him yet another chance to disappoint me in January when he takes over the Avengers weekly title, and only because I want to be able to discuss the comic on these boards.

Still, I don't recall any writer before Waid really delving into what it means to have fire as a power. Credit where credit is due. It's such an important element, too. Johnny, more than most heroes, really needs to be part of a team. He can be the destroyer but he generally can't be the protector and only under narrow circumstances can he be the rescuer. (Because he can turn off his flame around his hand, wrist, and forearm, he can save someone who has fallen from a great height, but he has to set that person down right away before the heat from the rest of his body causes harm.) Johnny and Spider-Man are a great duo because destruction is something Spidey really isn't that good at, whereas protecting and rescuing are two things he excels at.












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    Johnny and the race car theme again. I guess that's a nice nod to his other ambitions. The whole silly rock star thing made me ill (Millar? Probably)


Wow - you're much better at interpreting wordless panels than I am. You're right, that was Johnny driving a race car. But I only know that because you told me and then I went back and looked closely.


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    Hopefully a first order of business will be getting Johnny a new uniform, even if it's an FF throwback or a racing themed thing. I guess the yellow one is a bit, but it's never worked for me. I like the way Cheung is using Alex Ross flames.


Johnny's costume doesn't bug me. I can live with it. But I'd like somethig more along the lines of this Lightray pic.






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I don't see the Hal Foster, to be honest. I see more Romita Jr. to be honest. I'll concede though that "indie" is perhaps too strong of a word here. But there is a roughness there that I am not quite sure I like - but I may completely have a different impression when I see the entire book.

I just wasn't "wowed".




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