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https://www.cbr.com/fantastic-four-return-summer-2018/

Awesome cover for Marvel Two in One #6. Hopefully, this is not a swerve of some sort and we do see the return of Reed and Sue very soon as well as the Fantastic Four back in publication!




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They're bringing back The Hulk
The Original Wolverine
Cap was supposedly going off to a Kamandi future to make way for someone else but now he's back in the latest Avengers in May
Thor's coming back with Mjolner (or something like it)
Jean Grey (the regular one, not the teen or a clone or a time displaced daughter) is back.
Why not toss in the FF in, too?

It really looks like Marvel couldn't wait for Legacy to get it's feet underneath it before they went for the NEXT BIG THING, again. This whole FRESH START, really seemed to come out of left field, whether it was a desperate move or a planned one we'll always hear it was planned. But I really wouldn't put it past them to toss the FF back togehter sooner than expected. The only negative is the image they have only depicts Ben, not even Johnny. But it could be only a partial image.



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dmhaight


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Yeah, the really telling detail in the CBR article is the heavy amount of FF related Omnibuses of old material being released (or re-released as the case may be) in May.

That having been said, if a new Fantastic Four launch is coming within the next 3-4 months, Marvel needs to give this title a real "fresh start" (to quote the tag line from their marketing campaign) by picking a new first rate creative team to what was once rightfully called "the World's Greatest Comic Magazine".

If Zdarsky is given the new Fantastic Four relaunch to keep going as has over the last couple issues of MTIO, there's very little chance it'll succeed long term.


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This whole Two In One series is built around jerking you guys around expecting the Fantastic Four to return. That's why it exists. Once they're reunited the FF gets a new series and this book is over.

This book exists to STALL the return of the Fantastic Four not herald it. As long as it goes on you're not getting the group back. Whatever deals need to be made to bring the Fantastic Four back have not happened. This series buys Marvel time while they get their crap together. This series is just a bone to throw FF fans who are sick of how the Fantastic Four have been treated.

I wouldn't expect to see the FF back this year. They're going to milk this Two In One stuff as long as they can.





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I originally thought that, too. So I am being a cock eyed optimist with this article. The release of all these trades is the main reason. Not the issue hype with issue 6 release. Notice the two Dr. Doom's on Cheung's cover? I'm wondering if they are not going to end up on the Secret War's recent Battleworld again? From there they see the truth of the events that transpired at its end and still continue on a quest for Reed, Sue and the kids. I could see it happen. Doesn't mean we won't see the return of the FF this year, but, I do not expect it to happen immediately after this issue.




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Whom would you like to see take over the creative reigns of a new FF book from Marvel's creative stable of talent? I am liking Zdarskey and Cheung much more than you and would give the book a chance if they took over. I do agree with you on a couple points. Primarily Doom kissing faculty butt in the flash back and I am not a fan of this separation thing affecting their powers, but, after decades of continuity and a definite shift from 60's-80's story telling to the present we are never going to get a perfect representation of the Four. Or any other Marvel character.




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I think the fresh start has been at least in the planning stages for a year. Doesn't Marvel's top guys do a brainstorming retreat to plan the company's direction once a year? I'm guessing the fan backlash and sales of Axel and Bendis' reign was a determining factor. I'm actually excited by this fresh start campaign. Recently, I've been checking out Avengers No Surrender and its been very good. The new Avenger announced lineup I will likely give a chance, too. I've even enjoyed Wolverine's bad-@$$ return that's been sprinkled throughout a couple issue's I've seen. Including, Infinity Countdown which has been great so far only a couple books in with Adam Warlock and Prime.
I noticed Ben's the only one in the poster solicitation. They should have at least found a way to include the Human Torch. Does it have bearing on the FF return? Two different ways of looking at that: trying to keep the return a secret or no return planned at all. Who knows with Marvel these days?
I would like to see the Fresh Start get back to basics and be a return to what I've been missing in Marvel comics, but, I'm not the Marvel Zombie I once was as I've discovered many great titles out there on the indie scene and there's only so much money and so much time to give to comics. Will be checking out a few titles, tho and if they meet my expectations will continue to buy.




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Dan freaking Slott. They keep saying they are going to shift creative teams around. He must have a record of some sort with his time on Spider-Man. ENOUGH I say!

Or get Alan Davis to write it. He got the FF so well in The End that you wished that book was 'The Beginning' I keep the trade on my desk and whenever I feel down it brings me right back to a happy place.

Is Sacasa still working with Marvel? The alternate FF book he did wasn't the best but he was pretty mandated by editorial into that book. His latter FF work was pretty good (and he knows a thing or two about Lyja!)




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Nope. He's a bigwig with Archie Comics and creative force behind Riverdale. He writes two excellent books hampered by infrequent publication due to his schedule. If you aren't reading Afterlife With Archie and Sabrina the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina you're missing out on some good stuff.


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    Quote:
    Whom would you like to see take over the creative reigns of a new FF book from Marvel's creative stable of talent? I am liking Zdarskey and Cheung much more than you and would give the book a chance if they took over. I do agree with you on a couple points. Primarily Doom kissing faculty butt in the flash back and I am not a fan of this separation thing affecting their powers, but, after decades of continuity and a definite shift from 60's-80's story telling to the present we are never going to get a perfect representation of the Four. Or any other Marvel character.


I like Cheung's art just fine, but somehow i doubt he's fit for a monthly ongoing book, as witness by the fact that he had a fill-in after two issues of this MTIO iteration. My problems have all been with Zdarsky's flat out mis-characterizations of the Fantastic Four. He's proven to me unfit to handle the characters for any long term.

As for who i'd like to see??? Yeah, I thought about it when I typed my last reply. Truth is I'm not sure which of Marvel's current crop of writers would make a good fit.

Mark Waid already had a run on the title. I'd like to see Jonathan Hickman return to the title, as Bleeding Cool's recent post hinted at, but I really doubt that'll happen.

One of the posters to this thread brought up the idea of Dan Slott. I don't know....I'm not a big fan of what he's done to Spider-Man over the past ten years (not withstanding Superior Spider-Man, which was pretty good). I happened to be re-reading the ASM issues that crossed over with the timeline of Spidey joining the FF during Johnny's absence recently, and while his grasp of the FF characters seems to be at least a step up from Zdarsky's current take, the tone of those issues seemed a little...light in tone for my tastes. It's ok for a one-off story, but I don't want that to be the direction of the book for the next 5-10 years.

I'll think about it....and maybe post a reply if I either come up with a good name, or if one of the other posters to this board reply with a name that sounds good.


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    Dan freaking Slott. They keep saying they are going to shift creative teams around. He must have a record of some sort with his time on Spider-Man. ENOUGH I say!



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    Or get Alan Davis to write it. He got the FF so well in The End that you wished that book was 'The Beginning' I keep the trade on my desk and whenever I feel down it brings me right back to a happy place.


I'd like to see Alan Davis on an extended run. I agree with you his take on that "The End" mini-series was good. I doubt he's up for an extended run on any Marvel or DC title at this point though.



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    Quote:

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      Whom would you like to see take over the creative reigns of a new FF book from Marvel's creative stable of talent? I am liking Zdarskey and Cheung much more than you and would give the book a chance if they took over. I do agree with you on a couple points. Primarily Doom kissing faculty butt in the flash back and I am not a fan of this separation thing affecting their powers, but, after decades of continuity and a definite shift from 60's-80's story telling to the present we are never going to get a perfect representation of the Four. Or any other Marvel character.



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    I like Cheung's art just fine, but somehow i doubt he's fit for a monthly ongoing book, as witness by the fact that he had a fill-in after two issues of this MTIO iteration. My problems have all been with Zdarsky's flat out mis-characterizations of the Fantastic Four. He's proven to me unfit to handle the characters for any long term.



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    As for who i'd like to see??? Yeah, I thought about it when I typed my last reply. Truth is I'm not sure which of Marvel's current crop of writers would make a good fit.



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    Mark Waid already had a run on the title. I'd like to see Jonathan Hickman return to the title, as Bleeding Cool's recent post hinted at, but I really doubt that'll happen.



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    One of the posters to this thread brought up the idea of Dan Slott. I don't know....I'm not a big fan of what he's done to Spider-Man over the past ten years (not withstanding Superior Spider-Man, which was pretty good). I happened to be re-reading the ASM issues that crossed over with the timeline of Spidey joining the FF during Johnny's absence recently, and while his grasp of the FF characters seems to be at least a step up from Zdarsky's current take, the tone of those issues seemed a little...light in tone for my tastes. It's ok for a one-off story, but I don't want that to be the direction of the book for the next 5-10 years.



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    I'll think about it....and maybe post a reply if I either come up with a good name, or if one of the other posters to this board reply with a name that sounds good.



Al Ewing would be good choice. He was essentially writing Fantastic Four plots during his runs on the Ultimates and Ultimates2 titles.



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I've heard great things about Ewing. I believe he wrote some Avengers books awhile back that I enjoyed. He or Alan Davis would definitely be at the top of my list. As the other good friends here on the board mentioned, his Fantastic Four The End was excellent with him writing and illustrating the book. Its always been in my top ten list of runs through Fantastic Four's history.




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Loved Slott's 8 issue Thing series. I keep hearing many fans are not happy with a lot of the stuff he's done on Spider-Man. Too innovative and progressive and away from what made Parker/Spider-Man great. So, Slott on FF could go either way in the collective fan base eyes. Anywhere from Byrne to De Falco. And looking back we may all have been a bit too hard on Tom!




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Afterlife with Archie is the best zombie book I've ever read. Its too bad the publication schedule is so infrequent. I liked much of his FF run, but, I never got the sense he could do an epic scale cosmic type adventure deserving of the four.




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I agree. His stories were more character driven, which is not necessarily a bad thing but he couldn't pull epic tales.


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dmhaight


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Ah well, i guess we can cross off Al Ewing as a choice - he's been tapped to do the new relaunch of the "Immortal Hulk".


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dmhaight


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Another preferable option at this point would be to see James Robinson return to the title. I know he's been somewhat hit or miss on titles in recent years, but I'd be curious to at least see what else he had in mind for the title beyond putting the characters through the wringer. Since his run was unceremoniously cut off mid-stream after the end of the "Fall of..." story, i'd like to see if we could get a look at what he promised in interviews as the follow up "Rise of..." story, or other ideas that weren't encumbered by the looming cancellation of the title.


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With a big editorial change at the top Robinson might have more creative freedom to do better on the title.




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