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Iron Man Unit 007
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Subject: Flash Oct 31
Posted Wed Nov 01, 2017 at 01:18:52 pm GMT (Viewed 242 times) |
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Cisco is spending quality time with Gypsy when her father suddenly appears and attempts to kill him.
After that they go to Star Labs to make peace with him as it were.
Mayor Bellows is running for reelection and references how he was once a cop. This is an easter egg as Bellows was indeed a cop in the 90's series
At STAR LABS, Cisco gets a quasi pep talk from Wells2. "Any father would be glad to have you date his daughter, except me. You can't date Jesse" Cisco responds "Went for the compliment didn't stick the landing"
They learn that Ralph Dibney was on the bus. He was a cop that was kicked off the force. He also has a humorous sign on his office door.
He claims he wasn't on the bus, but they find out he was lying. apparently his power manifests as he was being dangled off a roof.
We also get his classic line ""I smell a mystery"
I think his client's name was Mrs. Broome....
Dibney learns that sneezing is not a good thing with his powers, Joe finally gets sick at the site of someone having powers.
cisco attempts to have coffee with Gypsy and her father. Her father tells Cisco he is going to hunt Cisco and as they talk he starts a countdown. He says that he will hunt him for 24 hours and that neither will use their powers. He also states he hunted Gypsy's last boyfriend and doesn't know where he is now as he doesn't know where people go when they die. Cisco takes off running and he starts to pursue. Gypsy sees they are gone and realizes the hunt is on.
Barry reveals that he and Dibney worked a case when he was a junior CSI. Barry outed Dibney for planting evidence and committing perjury in a murder case.
As they search his office a bomb is triggered and Barry quickly phases them out of the building.
Cisco gets a humorous pep talk from Wells2.
Dibney has dirt on the Mayor and is blackmailing him.
Turns out the Mayor is the one that is trying to have Dibney killed and he tells the goon to kill any cops that get in the way.
Cisco briefly traps Gypsy's father in the same field that held RF.
Mayor's goons arrive to kill Joe and Barry, we get a Quicksilver/X-men first class style method of beating them.
Gypsy's father sees footage of Dibney all stretched out and thinks he is one of the creatures that wrecked his world.
Dibney confronts the Mayor and decides to not blackmail him. Mayor attempts to shoot him but it doesn't work. Flash takes his gun then gypsy's dad appears to kill Dibney.
Cisco appears all suited up and ready to confront Gypsy's dad to save Dibney.
Flash asks Dibney to grab the helicoptor, he refuses so of COURSE BARRY UNMASKS.
Dibney grabs the helicoptor and Flash runs up his arm to save Joe from the Mayor. That is the moment Joe mentions that he is going to be a father.
Celebration at STAR over the news that Joe is going to be a dad again.
Gypsy's father still hates Cisco but respects him and begrudgingly approves of him dating his daughter.
We also learn their real names.
Caitlyn finds a message carved on her door at the end, undoubtedly the message is for KF
Barry offers Dibney a chance to become a detective again and to also let Star Labs study his powers and learn to control them.
Dibney reveals that a man who only spoke over the phone asked him to investigate the mayor. The man's name is Devoe (spell check on that?). Barry then remembers hearing that name from last season and how Savitar mentioned they built a cerebral inhibitor to stop Devoe.
Funny episode, still not feeling the magic.
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Reverend Meteor
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Subject: Re: Flash Oct 31 [Re: Iron Man Unit 007]
Posted Wed Nov 01, 2017 at 02:12:04 pm GMT (Viewed 236 times) |
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Quote: Cisco is spending quality time with Gypsy when her father suddenly appears and attempts to kill him.
This annoyed me so much. For 4 seasons Cisco never gets laid and it was finally about to happen.
Quote: After that they go to Star Labs to make peace with him as it were.
Quote: Mayor Bellows is running for reelection and references how he was once a cop. This is an easter egg as Bellows was indeed a cop in the 90's series
Ah I had wondered if they were going for Matthew Paulson or Charlie Conwell.
Quote: At STAR LABS, Cisco gets a quasi pep talk from Wells2. "Any father would be glad to have you date his daughter, except me. You can't date Jesse" Cisco responds "Went for the compliment didn't stick the landing"
Quote: They learn that Ralph Dibney was on the bus. He was a cop that was kicked off the force. He also has a humorous sign on his office door.
Quote: He claims he wasn't on the bus, but they find out he was lying. apparently his power manifests as he was being dangled off a roof.
Quote: We also get his classic line ""I smell a mystery"
Quote: I think his client's name was Mrs. Broome....
Quote: Dibney learns that sneezing is not a good thing with his powers, Joe finally gets sick at the site of someone having powers.
Quote: cisco attempts to have coffee with Gypsy and her father. Her father tells Cisco he is going to hunt Cisco and as they talk he starts a countdown. He says that he will hunt him for 24 hours and that neither will use their powers. He also states he hunted Gypsy's last boyfriend and doesn't know where he is now as he doesn't know where people go when they die. Cisco takes off running and he starts to pursue. Gypsy sees they are gone and realizes the hunt is on.
The plot was bizarre and seemed out of place. But it's Danny Trejo on Flash. I'll allow it. And me and Breacher have the same first name. As a fellow Josh you just don't expect other Joshes to look intimidating like Danny Trejo. It's like the most milquetoast non threatening name ever. Maybe me and the rest of the Council of Joshes should think about rebranding.
Quote: Barry reveals that he and Dibney worked a case when he was a junior CSI. Barry outed Dibney for planting evidence and committing perjury in a murder case.
Barry isn't quite as bad but he works on evidence in cases in his professional identity as a crime scene forensic scientist and shares it with the people at Star Labs. He holds people prisoner in Star Labs without a fair trial. He gives testimony in court about his methodology in determining a supsect's guilt but we also have seen him use his super speed in the lab which in my mind could certainly skew the results of many of his tests. And he hangs around with Harrison-2 and I'm pretty sure he knows Harrison killed Turtle.
Quote: As they search his office a bomb is triggered and Barry quickly phases them out of the building.
Quote: Cisco gets a humorous pep talk from Wells2.
Quote: Dibney has dirt on the Mayor and is blackmailing him.
Did anyone kind of wince at this? For the most part I liked Ralph but they made him kind of shady.
Quote: Turns out the Mayor is the one that is trying to have Dibney killed and he tells the goon to kill any cops that get in the way.
Quote: Cisco briefly traps Gypsy's father in the same field that held RF.
Quote: Mayor's goons arrive to kill Joe and Barry, we get a Quicksilver/X-men first class style method of beating them.
Quote: Gypsy's father sees footage of Dibney all stretched out and thinks he is one of the creatures that wrecked his world.
Quote: Dibney confronts the Mayor and decides to not blackmail him. Mayor attempts to shoot him but it doesn't work. Flash takes his gun then gypsy's dad appears to kill Dibney.
The odd effects of Ralph's powers were put to good use here.
Quote: Cisco appears all suited up and ready to confront Gypsy's dad to save Dibney.
Quote: Flash asks Dibney to grab the helicoptor, he refuses so of COURSE BARRY UNMASKS.
Quote: Dibney grabs the helicoptor and Flash runs up his arm to save Joe from the Mayor. That is the moment Joe mentions that he is going to be a father.
Quote: Celebration at STAR over the news that Joe is going to be a dad again.
Quote: Gypsy's father still hates Cisco but respects him and begrudgingly approves of him dating his daughter.
The character was silly but I admit I enjoyed Breacher.
Quote: We also learn their real names.
Quote: Caitlyn finds a message carved on her door at the end, undoubtedly the message is for KF
Quote: Barry offers Dibney a chance to become a detective again and to also let Star Labs study his powers and learn to control them.
I'm glad they did this episode. Elongated Man was a silver age Flash supporting character and it just feels right that the Flash does an episode about him. And I'm glad they made him weird. I've always found Ralph to be a bit weird.
Quote: Dibney reveals that a man who only spoke over the phone asked him to investigate the mayor. The man's name is Devoe (spell check on that?). Barry then remembers hearing that name from last season and how Savitar mentioned they built a cerebral inhibitor to stop Devoe.
I demand that Devoe have two robot henchmen named Bell and Biv!
Honestly the Thinker's not doing it for me as a villain yet. But I never quite warmed up to Zoom or Savitar either I guess. But I did like their look. Thinker looks silly.
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Knight
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Subject: Re: Flash Oct 31 [Re: Iron Man Unit 007]
Posted Wed Nov 01, 2017 at 09:13:24 pm GMT (Viewed 203 times) |
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Quote: Mayor Bellows is running for reelection and references how he was once a cop. This is an easter egg as Bellows was indeed a cop in the 90's series
Another easter egg was the name, "Plastic Man.". That name belongs to Eel O'Brien.
Quote: We also get his classic line ""I smell a mystery"
With a nose wiggle to boot.
Quote: I think his client's name was Mrs. Broome....
She needs to do some sweeping...
Quote: Dibney learns that sneezing is not a good thing with his powers, Joe finally gets sick at the site of someone having powers.
I laughed at this part.
Quote: Cisco gets a humorous pep talk from Wells2.
I'm glad Tom is playing Wells-2 again and not a different Wells.
Quote: Mayor's goons arrive to kill Joe and Barry, we get a Quicksilver/X-men first class style method of beating them.
Ha ha, I thought of that movie too.
Quote: Dibney confronts the Mayor and decides to not blackmail him. Mayor attempts to shoot him but it doesn't work.
"Bullet booger."
Quote: Flash asks Dibney to grab the helicoptor, he refuses so of COURSE BARRY UNMASKS.
I was like, "Don't unmask, don't do it." But he did it. He might as well unmasked to the whole city now. What's the point?
Quote: Dibney grabs the helicoptor and Flash runs up his arm to save Joe from the Mayor. That is the moment Joe mentions that he is going to be a father.
I don't know about you but when that happened, it went to a commercial. Perfect moment!
Quote: Celebration at STAR over the news that Joe is going to be a dad again.
I bet Joe and his new love lose the baby.
Quote: Dibney reveals that a man who only spoke over the phone asked him to investigate the mayor. The man's name is Devoe (spell check on that?). Barry then remembers hearing that name from last season and how Savitar mentioned they built a cerebral inhibitor to stop Devoe.
You got the spelling right, but the normal spelling of the name is with a capital V (DeVoe). So, your good.
Quote: Funny episode, still not feeling the magic.
Agreed. I was tempted to review this one.
It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Paste Pot Pete 
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Subject: Re: Flash Oct 31 [Re: Reverend Meteor]
Posted Thu Nov 02, 2017 at 02:32:28 pm GMT (Viewed 232 times) |
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Quote: Cisco is spending quality time with Gypsy when her father suddenly appears and attempts to kill him.
Quote: This annoyed me so much. For 4 seasons Cisco never gets laid and it was finally about to happen.
I know, that's what I was pissed about too. I think they are doing it on purpose just to annoy us.
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Quote: After that they go to Star Labs to make peace with him as it were.
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Quote: Mayor Bellows is running for reelection and references how he was once a cop. This is an easter egg as Bellows was indeed a cop in the 90's series
Quote: Ah I had wondered if they were going for Matthew Paulson or Charlie Conwell.
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Quote: At STAR LABS, Cisco gets a quasi pep talk from Wells2. "Any father would be glad to have you date his daughter, except me. You can't date Jesse" Cisco responds "Went for the compliment didn't stick the landing"
Quote:
Quote: They learn that Ralph Dibney was on the bus. He was a cop that was kicked off the force. He also has a humorous sign on his office door.
Quote:
Quote: He claims he wasn't on the bus, but they find out he was lying. apparently his power manifests as he was being dangled off a roof.
Quote:
Quote: We also get his classic line ""I smell a mystery"
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Quote: I think his client's name was Mrs. Broome....
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Quote: Dibney learns that sneezing is not a good thing with his powers, Joe finally gets sick at the site of someone having powers.
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Quote: cisco attempts to have coffee with Gypsy and her father. Her father tells Cisco he is going to hunt Cisco and as they talk he starts a countdown. He says that he will hunt him for 24 hours and that neither will use their powers. He also states he hunted Gypsy's last boyfriend and doesn't know where he is now as he doesn't know where people go when they die. Cisco takes off running and he starts to pursue. Gypsy sees they are gone and realizes the hunt is on.
Quote: The plot was bizarre and seemed out of place. But it's Danny Trejo on Flash. I'll allow it. And me and Breacher have the same first name. As a fellow Josh you just don't expect other Joshes to look intimidating like Danny Trejo. It's like the most milquetoast non threatening name ever. Maybe me and the rest of the Council of Joshes should think about rebranding.
I agree it was bizarre and out of place. But it was Danny Trejo, so it was awesome.
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Quote: Barry reveals that he and Dibney worked a case when he was a junior CSI. Barry outed Dibney for planting evidence and committing perjury in a murder case.
Quote: Barry isn't quite as bad but he works on evidence in cases in his professional identity as a crime scene forensic scientist and shares it with the people at Star Labs. He holds people prisoner in Star Labs without a fair trial. He gives testimony in court about his methodology in determining a supsect's guilt but we also have seen him use his super speed in the lab which in my mind could certainly skew the results of many of his tests. And he hangs around with Harrison-2 and I'm pretty sure he knows Harrison killed Turtle.
The only difference is Barry doesn't do things for his own benefit. That's why as you said, it upset me that they made Dibney a blackmailer. The two of them would have been much more parallel morally without the blackmail.
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Quote: As they search his office a bomb is triggered and Barry quickly phases them out of the building.
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Quote: Cisco gets a humorous pep talk from Wells2.
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Quote: Dibney has dirt on the Mayor and is blackmailing him.
Quote: Did anyone kind of wince at this? For the most part I liked Ralph but they made him kind of shady.
Yeah, he is supposed to be heroic, not a shyster.
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Quote: Turns out the Mayor is the one that is trying to have Dibney killed and he tells the goon to kill any cops that get in the way.
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Quote: Cisco briefly traps Gypsy's father in the same field that held RF.
Quote:
Quote: Mayor's goons arrive to kill Joe and Barry, we get a Quicksilver/X-men first class style method of beating them.
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Quote: Gypsy's father sees footage of Dibney all stretched out and thinks he is one of the creatures that wrecked his world.
Quote:
Quote: Dibney confronts the Mayor and decides to not blackmail him. Mayor attempts to shoot him but it doesn't work. Flash takes his gun then gypsy's dad appears to kill Dibney.
Quote: The odd effects of Ralph's powers were put to good use here.
Yes, the effects were so cool!
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Quote: Cisco appears all suited up and ready to confront Gypsy's dad to save Dibney.
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Quote: Flash asks Dibney to grab the helicoptor, he refuses so of COURSE BARRY UNMASKS.
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Quote: Dibney grabs the helicoptor and Flash runs up his arm to save Joe from the Mayor. That is the moment Joe mentions that he is going to be a father.
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Quote: Celebration at STAR over the news that Joe is going to be a dad again.
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Quote: Gypsy's father still hates Cisco but respects him and begrudgingly approves of him dating his daughter.
Quote: The character was silly but I admit I enjoyed Breacher.
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Quote: We also learn their real names.
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Quote: Caitlyn finds a message carved on her door at the end, undoubtedly the message is for KF
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Quote: Barry offers Dibney a chance to become a detective again and to also let Star Labs study his powers and learn to control them.
Quote: I'm glad they did this episode. Elongated Man was a silver age Flash supporting character and it just feels right that the Flash does an episode about him. And I'm glad they made him weird. I've always found Ralph to be a bit weird.
I'm glad they made him weird, but hope they make him more heroic as time goes by.
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Quote: Dibney reveals that a man who only spoke over the phone asked him to investigate the mayor. The man's name is Devoe (spell check on that?). Barry then remembers hearing that name from last season and how Savitar mentioned they built a cerebral inhibitor to stop Devoe.
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I demand that Devoe have two robot henchmen named Bell and Biv!
Quote: Honestly the Thinker's not doing it for me as a villain yet. But I never quite warmed up to Zoom or Savitar either I guess. But I did like their look. Thinker looks silly.
Yeah, I think it would have been better if they hadn't shown him yet. All we should know is that there is someone VERY smart manipulating events in ways that no one should be able to manipulate events.
The fact that we've seen him, just sort of ruins it. Because he doesn't seem intimidating in person at all.
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Knight
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Subject: Re: Flash Oct 31 [Re: Paste Pot Pete]
Posted Thu Nov 02, 2017 at 03:44:46 pm GMT (Viewed 228 times) |
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Quote: Yeah, I think it would have been better if they hadn't shown him yet. All we should know is that there is someone VERY smart manipulating events in ways that no one should be able to manipulate events.
Quote: The fact that we've seen him, just sort of ruins it. Because he doesn't seem intimidating in person at all.
Maybe that's a good thing. Even in the comics, I've never found the Thinker very intimidating. Here, he's confined to a floating chair and doesn't look very intimidating and I believe that is a good thing. Why? Because maybe Barry will end up thinking the same thing we do and that will lead to Barry underestimating the Thinker. In turn, that gives the Thinker an advantage "because" his appearance is not intimidating. He can actually use that against Barry, or any of his enemies. The Thinker's real power is in his head, his smarts, his capacity for strategy. He's not supposed to be intimidating on the outside because a lot of brainy people aren't (at least in real life). The Thinker's real asset is his brain.
It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Paste Pot Pete
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Subject: Re: Flash Oct 31 [Re: Knight]
Posted Thu Nov 02, 2017 at 05:58:07 pm GMT (Viewed 222 times) |
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Quote: Yeah, I think it would have been better if they hadn't shown him yet. All we should know is that there is someone VERY smart manipulating events in ways that no one should be able to manipulate events.
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Quote: The fact that we've seen him, just sort of ruins it. Because he doesn't seem intimidating in person at all.
Quote: Maybe that's a good thing. Even in the comics, I've never found the Thinker very intimidating. Here, he's confined to a floating chair and doesn't look very intimidating and I believe that is a good thing. Why? Because maybe Barry will end up thinking the same thing we do and that will lead to Barry underestimating the Thinker. In turn, that gives the Thinker an advantage "because" his appearance is not intimidating. He can actually use that against Barry, or any of his enemies. The Thinker's real power is in his head, his smarts, his capacity for strategy. He's not supposed to be intimidating on the outside because a lot of brainy people aren't (at least in real life). The Thinker's real asset is his brain.
Certainly the Thinker wasn't ever physically intimidating and it was his brain that was his asset.
But I was speaking like writing wise. I'm one of those people that think SUSPENSE type Horror movies are the best because it's more scary when you DON'T see things.
Thinker would be WAY scarier to me if they only things I knew about him so far are that he is really smart, and he is 10 steps ahead of Barry.
That's all I was saying.
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Reverend Meteor
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Subject: Re: Flash Oct 31 [Re: Knight]
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2017 at 01:01:16 pm GMT (Viewed 192 times) |
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Quote: Yeah, I think it would have been better if they hadn't shown him yet. All we should know is that there is someone VERY smart manipulating events in ways that no one should be able to manipulate events.
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Quote: The fact that we've seen him, just sort of ruins it. Because he doesn't seem intimidating in person at all.
Quote: Maybe that's a good thing. Even in the comics, I've never found the Thinker very intimidating. Here, he's confined to a floating chair and doesn't look very intimidating and I believe that is a good thing. Why? Because maybe Barry will end up thinking the same thing we do and that will lead to Barry underestimating the Thinker. In turn, that gives the Thinker an advantage "because" his appearance is not intimidating. He can actually use that against Barry, or any of his enemies. The Thinker's real power is in his head, his smarts, his capacity for strategy. He's not supposed to be intimidating on the outside because a lot of brainy people aren't (at least in real life). The Thinker's real asset is his brain.
I hate that he's in the chair. Because I keep seeing Metron and wishing he was there instead.
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Reverend Meteor
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Subject: Re: Flash Oct 31 [Re: Paste Pot Pete]
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2017 at 01:09:45 pm GMT (Viewed 226 times) |
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Certainly the Thinker wasn't ever physically intimidating and it was his brain that was his asset.
Quote: But I was speaking like writing wise. I'm one of those people that think SUSPENSE type Horror movies are the best because it's more scary when you DON'T see things.
I don't think the Thinker had the potential to be scary. He looks silly and the actor seems bland.
That said I wish they had cast the guy they had on Arrow last night (Michael Emerson) as the Thinker. If Michael Emerson was in the role he would be scary as f*ck. Lost wasn't that great a show but Michael Emerson's character Ben Linus was a truly great character IMO. I can't believe they wasted Michael Emerson as a hacker. He should be a big bad.
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Paste Pot Pete
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Subject: Re: Flash Oct 31 [Re: Reverend Meteor]
Posted Fri Nov 03, 2017 at 02:14:41 pm GMT (Viewed 230 times) |
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Certainly the Thinker wasn't ever physically intimidating and it was his brain that was his asset.
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Quote: But I was speaking like writing wise. I'm one of those people that think SUSPENSE type Horror movies are the best because it's more scary when you DON'T see things.
Quote: I don't think the Thinker had the potential to be scary. He looks silly and the actor seems bland.
Quote: That said I wish they had cast the guy they had on Arrow last night (Michael Emerson) as the Thinker. If Michael Emerson was in the role he would be scary as f*ck. Lost wasn't that great a show but Michael Emerson's character Ben Linus was a truly great character IMO. I can't believe they wasted Michael Emerson as a hacker. He should be a big bad.
Completely agree. Michael Emerson is awesome.
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