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Cth


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I'm only half serious with the thread title, but..

I'm starting to wonder if the curse of the Hulk isn't necessarily Banner's alone at this point. Before PAD came onto the title, no one wanted to write the title.

PAD's 2nd return didn't get the reception you'd expect from all the online comments (yeah, I know, never trust the internet..)

Pak was heralded as the next PAD by fans and like PAD, his return to the character has been starting to take a serious nose dive, especially as of recent.

Sure, a large part of it is internal politics, editorial mandates, working with writers who ignore your work, etc, etc.

I guess what I'm getting at is, does anyone else think it's partially the fans fault that no one seemingly wants to write the character? Are we too quick to turn on writers instead of placing blame on editorial where it largely deserves to be?

Add in the confusion of which personality/incarnation to write and it's easy to see why it's hard to keep a writer on the book. At least with the release of Thor Ragnarok, that problem will become a little less problematic, in terms of what Hulk will be in everyone's mindset going forth.

Anyways, just musing.. anyone have a list of writers you'd like to see take on the Hulk?

For me: Joe Hill, Matt Kindt, Jeff Lemire, Al Ewing (Contest of Champions), Scott Snyder, Gerry Duggan (another chance to do his own thing instead of wrapping up someone else's run)




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TheMadderIGet


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Daniel Way. The lead up to Planet Hulk were some of my favorite issues.


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Butthead1


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I definitely put alot of blame on Marvel Editorial for the Hulk ( and other Marvel Titles ) mess we have had off and on for years. I personally blame Axel Alonso more then anyone else. Alonso really messed up by saying this Generations storyline was not going to be a time travel story. But I won't say anything else about editorial right now. But to answer your question if I could pick a writer I would say Kurt Busiek. My reason for that is the outstanding job he did on Fixit when he wrote The Order. If he did become a writer for this book he would have to do The Grey or Gravage Hulk. He made Fixit so bad ass and entertaining. I would not want him writing The Savage Hulk.


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UName


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Guess the other Generation stories will involve time-traveling then too?


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FrazettaHulk


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    I'm only half serious with the thread title, but..



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    I'm starting to wonder if the curse of the Hulk isn't necessarily Banner's alone at this point. Before PAD came onto the title, no one wanted to write the title.



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    PAD's 2nd return didn't get the reception you'd expect from all the online comments (yeah, I know, never trust the internet..)



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    Pak was heralded as the next PAD by fans and like PAD, his return to the character has been starting to take a serious nose dive, especially as of recent.



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    Sure, a large part of it is internal politics, editorial mandates, working with writers who ignore your work, etc, etc.



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    I guess what I'm getting at is, does anyone else think it's partially the fans fault that no one seemingly wants to write the character? Are we too quick to turn on writers instead of placing blame on editorial where it largely deserves to be?



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    Add in the confusion of which personality/incarnation to write and it's easy to see why it's hard to keep a writer on the book. At least with the release of Thor Ragnarok, that problem will become a little less problematic, in terms of what Hulk will be in everyone's mindset going forth.



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    Anyways, just musing.. anyone have a list of writers you'd like to see take on the Hulk?



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    For me: Joe Hill, Matt Kindt, Jeff Lemire, Al Ewing (Contest of Champions), Scott Snyder, Gerry Duggan (another chance to do his own thing instead of wrapping up someone else's run)


I think Hulk is fundamentally broken now. I dont see how Marvel can 'fix' what they've destroyed w/o ignoring a lot of the bad continuity. IMO we are at a point where I think a FULL Marvel reboot is the only chance for a successful, healthy strong solo Hulk book.

If you look at Batman's book for ex. You have Bruce Wayne who is interesting in and outta the suit. An overall purpose. A "home" Gotham/Manor. Strong supporting cast. A+ Rogues gallery to choose from. Now compare that to even IF Bruce Banner is back. For most of his 'existence' Bruce Banner isn't interesting enough on his own to carry a book. And then if you pick 1 Hulk personality you are losing a certain segment of Hulk fans who prefer other one(s). A terrible supporting cast. F+ Rogues gallery.

As far as Hulk fans with social media, I think we do have a bad rep. I can only imagine a writer chatting with Jason Aaron, Mark Waid or Gerry Duggan about fan bases difficulty pleasing and being warned bout us (few can spoil the rep for the whole I know). Plus I can think of maybe 5 times a writer has expressed interest in someday writing a Hulk book. Hulk is a niche draw to begin with. And the big names since 1998 have all failed either in sales or quality or both. Byrne, Azzarello, Jenkins, Loeb, Aaron and Waid. So history tells me wanting say a Scott Snyder would likely lead to heartbreak.

I'll take any writer who loves the character and wants to start anew and build something with a strong foundation. That's what's needed.




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FrazettaHulk


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We've never seen numbers for the main Hulk ongoing series be as low as this. Sure theres several reasons for this ... I dont wanna hijack the thread with a discussion some arent ... equipped for.

So focusing on Totally Awesome Hulk's first arc. Pak introduced a Hulk who was Cho-Hulk. At same time he also showed a Monster in the trunk Hulk. Who seemed to have intelligence/menace in his eyes. BUT when MITT Hulk emerges he's just a mindless Hulk. In addition to this, Pal hinted the real Hulk was buried somewhere in Cho's sub-conscious. There was the panels where Amadeus walked by mitror and thought he saw something (and it looked like reg/real Hulk to me). Hasnt been addressed yet since.

I'm not sure now that Pak had the right choices once we were past that first arc. And by time the book became halfway decent again the audience was gone!



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Nivek


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Pak's return would be great if Banner was the Hulk, but making his pet character "A Hulk" just killed any interest. It's worse suggesting the "real Hulk" is trapped in his head. Like Eric Larson "Ghost of the Hulk possessing people" crap from the 90's.


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Charlie 

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    I'm starting to wonder if the curse of the Hulk isn't necessarily Banner's alone at this point. Before PAD came onto the title, no one wanted to write the title.


To be fair, that had less to do with the fans and more to do with the fact that Mantlo burned out on the character, then Byrne and Milgrom kinda made things into a tangled mess.


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    PAD's 2nd return didn't get the reception you'd expect from all the online comments (yeah, I know, never trust the internet..)


Never trust the Internet, but as PAD said on this very board, the lukewarm fan reception didn't help when he decided that working on the Hulk was not a priority compared to the other opportunities coming in.


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    Pak was heralded as the next PAD by fans and like PAD, his return to the character has been starting to take a serious nose dive, especially as of recent.


I honestly haven't heard much criticism of Pak's run (arguably, because nobody's reading it). It seems to me that the main problem right now is that fans never really accepted Cho as the Hulk.


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    I guess what I'm getting at is, does anyone else think it's partially the fans fault that no one seemingly wants to write the character? Are we too quick to turn on writers instead of placing blame on editorial where it largely deserves to be?


Yes. Mark Waid is Exhibit A in this regard. His Hulk was definitely not my cup of tea, but he got way more online harassment from fans than anybody deserved.

Fans could stand to remember that liking a character doesn't mean you own it, and that getting too worked up over imaginary characters is not really worth it.


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    Add in the confusion of which personality/incarnation to write and it's easy to see why it's hard to keep a writer on the book. At least with the release of Thor Ragnarok, that problem will become a little less problematic, in terms of what Hulk will be in everyone's mindset going forth.


I'm not sure that writing the Hulk is any harder than writing another long-lasting comic character. The main issue seems to be that, for most of the 21st century so far, Marvel has had no idea what they want to do with the character.


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    Anyways, just musing.. anyone have a list of writers you'd like to see take on the Hulk?


Me!

But also Paul Cornell, Gail Simone, Kurt Busiek, and G. Willow Wilson, to name a few.




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The Voice of Reason


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I think Kurt would write a great Hulk, he has a real feel for the idea of a classic Marvel hero. Has he written anything for either of the big two in a while?


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gencoimports


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You are exactly right - the fans have not excepted Cho as the Hulk and they never will. They should have made Cho a new hero very distinct with very different powers vs. the Hulk and kept Banner as the Hulk.


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Bob Oldman


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I think a no-name writer who is just starting his or her career would work best. Like PAD and Grek Pak on their first runs respectively.


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Butthead1


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Yes it does seem Alonso pretty much lied in that interview and then this first Generations story was a time travel story. I do not know what the rest of the Generation stories will involve but I will say it is not off to a great start. I could say I lost respect for Alonso except I never had respect for him to begin with so I lost nothing. I will wait for the next few issues of Generations and see where it goes.


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Butthead1


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I am not sure what he has done recently. I know he is a great writer but I feel Marvel Editorial would probably put too many restrictions on him.


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Cth


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He was responsible for that Avengers arc where an entire town was turned into Hulks.

He was a decent writer at the time, but he's got serious problems with keeping on schedule. The title would be plagued with delays and fill-ins unfortunately.

Now a standalone or OGN, sure.


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    He was responsible for that Avengers arc where an entire town was turned into Hulks.


That was called out by the characters as unusual, so I'm not seeing the problem.

There's room to criticize Busiek, but I don't think continuity is the right fight to pick there. For my money, Busiek handles the nuances of continuity better than any writer in the industry. He's got an encyclopedic knowledge of Marvel's canon, but almost never lets it get in the way of a good story or makes the comic feel inaccessible to new readers.




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Gamma Ra


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I personally don't consider any character outside of Bruce Banner as the main "Hulk", so I don't consider this as Pak's second run on the title. I don't even mind Cho being a "Hulk-like" incarnation as it would fit his character i.e. being Hulk's number one fan, he would subconsciously want to be like Hulk. What I don't like is when Marvel feels they have to remove Bruce Banner in order to push some other Hulk. While I'm not a big fan of Jeph Loeb's Red 'Hulk', I actually liked Ross as the Red 'Hulk' and enjoyed what Jeff Parker added to the HULK mythos on his Red Hulk run. I've seen some interesting things in the previews that Greg Pak has added recently as well in the Totally Awesome Hulk book.

With that said, as for Bruce Banner, I think Marvel is losing it's Hulk fanbase because they have turned the Hulk into a mess. There hasn't been any consistency in the title or true methodology in the characterization of Bruce Banner after Peter David. Pak tried to put it back to some semblance of order but Marvel keeps making a mess of it.





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Gamma Ra


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Although that run was not Planet Hulk and World War Hulk received, it did not garner any real "fan backlash".





He's?!? A Man-like MONSTER...an Elemental Force! He's?!? Indestructible! That's why you don't comprehend him!! And because he IS...Indestructible...the Battle Board will not tolerate him nor his INCREDIBLE abilities!!! Watch out for that Gamma-Surge - the WORLDBREAKER!!!
Gamma Ra the Assassin quotes Stan Lee - "The way I established the Hulk, the more he fought, the stronger he got...I assume at some point he'll get worn out, but NEVER the Hulk." Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine Oct 2006 issue - Proceeding Message from the CHURCH OF HULK!!!
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He's?!? A Man-like MONSTER...an Elemental Force! He's?!? Indestructible! That's why you don't comprehend him!! And because he IS...Indestructible...the Battle Board will not tolerate him nor his INCREDIBLE abilities!!! Watch out for that Gamma-Surge - the WORLDBREAKER!!!
Gamma Ra the Assassin quotes Stan Lee - "The way I established the Hulk, the more he fought, the stronger he got...I assume at some point he'll get worn out, but NEVER the Hulk." Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine Oct 2006 issue - Proceeding Message from the CHURCH OF HULK!!!
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