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Nivek


Location: Orlando, FL
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Ding Dong... you know the rest.



I can only hope Marvel Comics course corrects now that he is no longer steering the flagship characters into the rocks.


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Bob Oldman


Member Since: Mon Feb 01, 2010
Posts: 242


I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, I always found it odd that a guy who never liked super heroes (he supposedly made comments saying as much when he was at Vertigo) would be put in charge of an entire super hero line. I mean... what did they think was going to happen?

On the other hand, how much control does an EiC really have these days?... especially since Marvel was bought out by Disney? Was Alonso really calling the shots or was he just following the directives of his bosses? Is he just the fall guy for someone else's poor decisions? If that's the case, then Cebulski probably won't be able to make too many changes to the line.




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killa4illa


Member Since: Tue Jul 28, 2009
Posts: 786


Totally understand your points above, but Alonso's piss poor management of Marvel characters goes back to before the Disney purchase. Admittedly, nothing is as bad as what has happened to the line over the past couple years of blatant and terrible character replacement directed by Disney's diversity push.


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killa4illa


Member Since: Tue Jul 28, 2009
Posts: 786


God I hope so! Marvel is terrible and unrecognizable. People always bitch and moan about the 90s being a terrible era of comics but it looks Dickensian in comparison to the Alonso and diversity push era of the last 5 years.

Alonso and Bendis gone in a matter of days...who would have thought it!


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Bob Oldman


Member Since: Mon Feb 01, 2010
Posts: 242


I liked comics in the 90s. Y'know why? Because I only read comics I enjoyed and not comics that Wizard magazine said were "hot".

But to your point ... I'd read 10 garbage 90s comics before I'd look at a current Marvel comic. In fact, I could probably buy 10 90s comics for the price of a current Marvel comic.


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Butthead2


Member Since: Tue Oct 24, 2017
Posts: 212


As long as Disney and this character is the one in charge I think Marvel will continue down this road of piss poor stories.


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JesusFan


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Female Capt Marvel and female Thor will reign supreme!


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Charlie 

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Disney is fairly irrelevant to the comics side of things. As far as I know, they don't care about what happens in the comics. The only reason they bought Marvel was for the movie rights.




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Nivek


Location: Orlando, FL
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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I don't even read the comics anymore, but dang Son... at least I know who to properly blame

Disney and Marvel Studios have been the Hulks saving grace for the past 10 years. Because Perlmutter isn't doing us any favors in regards to our favorite character.

Last time I checked, Disney wasn't behind crap like Red Hulk, Chow Hulk, Rick Abomination, mangling She-Hulk... That was Perlmutter, Buckley, and Marvel Editorial.

Fans are misplaced in blaming the Rat, not saying they are not an evil empire, but they are not the ones responsible with this twisted attempt at social justice rebranding of Flagship characters and identities. People who don't get that The Hulk and Thor are not suits/ costumed identities any schmuck can wear. That is Alonso right there. He couldn't even catch Sampson/ Samson.




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Nivek


Location: Orlando, FL
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 241


Disney really had nothing to do with the comics division. That was Perlmutter, Buckley, and Alonso & his boys club of PC Dudebuds.

If anything, I would be more keen to believe that after being pushed out of Marvel Studios after the AoU fiasco, I'd say they went out of their way to steer the flagship characters into the rocks.


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Nivek


Location: Orlando, FL
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 241


Disney has little to do with publishing decisions, outside the Lucasfilm Star Wars titles overseen by Lucasfilm Story Group.

All these bad decisions fall to the feet of Perlmutter and Loeb, who after getting pushed out of marvel Studios, ended up steering all Disney run flagship characters into the rocks. It's not a coincidence they were tone deaf to the core readers bailing, it's what they wanted.

You want to blame some people, blame Alonso, Buckley, Loeb, and Perlmutter for making the most identifiable IP characters Marvel got, into unrecognizable hack jobs done by frat boys trying to appear PC.


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