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FrazettaHulk


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http://ew.com/movies/2018/01/11/marvel-movie-club-the-incredible-hulk/


Specifically, Feige and Marvel Studios know everything THEN that they know NOW. How would their first Hulk film look?

Easy Changes-
Director- Louis Letterier OUT. IN I think they'd go James Gunn over Taika Waititi.
Star-Ed Norton Soooo OUT. Ruffalo IN. Norton not being a team player according to Feige was why he was replaced. And Ruffalo fits today's MCU so much better than Norton ever could.
FX-Rhythym and Hues OUT. ILM IN. Turd looking Abomination goes bye-bye with them.
Date-O8 OUT. 09 probably November IN. Part of the problem was the rush job on script and effects. Marvel wise enough now not to be married to summer … especially for Hulk. June unlucky month for him it seems.
Script-Not bothering to look up who did it but he's OUT. James Gunn's script IN.
Pairing up heroes. Hulk is in Ragnarok. Iron Man is in Spider-Man Homecoming. Falcon was in Ant-Man. Everyone but Thor and Hulk were in Cap Civil War. 1000% Tony Stark as Iron Man is co-starring in this thing.
Tone-3 tries at humor OUT. Omnipresent Humor/Jokes/quips IN. Just is.

I think film cold opens in an action scene vs origin. For ex: I could see Present-Day Banner in Canada (not Brazil) as bait for Wendigo. Could be a fun, horror type style that then morphs into todays Marvel action opening. Where its Hulk and Wendigo pounding the bleep outta each other.

After Banner emerges and in thinks back on "how he got here" i.e. his origin. Maybe round a year ago. And this part takes round 30 minutes. Think they'd have all key players from the first film in this as well as Blonsky and Sterns. An accident of some kind unleashes The Hulk. Then he causes a secondary accident as he's leaping away that creates The Leader and The Abomination. Who after a brief display of their power, also escape.

Time jump back to Present Day but focusing on Sterns and Blonsky. Their lair would be expansive, creative and fun. Leader would have an Army of various Humanoids, robots, humans and cyborgs, Rock and Redeemer. And his ultimate muscle, The Abomination.

A higher tech, maybe drone-ish Army tries to bring Bruce Banner in. Hulk smashes. The we get Iron Man vs Hulk. yada yada yada, they come to an understanding.

The Leader launches an all out assault on something somewhere. Hulk and Iron Man team up and eventually win.

After credits scene shows Galactus ripping off the Knowhere Celestials' head cuz Feige knows Disney is buying Fox in 2017/2018. \:\)



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Mike S


Member Since: Sun Jul 23, 2017
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From what I have read online, it was Norton himself who removed Rick Jones from the script. I believe this was a mistake, as Rick is a character who has appeared in many titles, even though Hulk is his origin.

Samson was wasted too since it is likely that character will never be revisited, and had his part whittled to almost nothing.

It appears that Norton rewrote much of the script and tried to make it his movie, leading to showdown with Lettiner over how to edit the final film. I am curious what the original movie would have looked like without Norton's creative interference. Maybe it would have been better.


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Gamma Ra


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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I love the movie, but Marvel Studios made the mistake of playing it too safe. They should have made the "Marvel" Universe a technologically advanced universe from the beginning. The other mistake was that they should have completely distanced themselves from Ang Lee's Hulk; a movie which I love as well; instead of being vague. They should have also stayed away from any elements of the television show. I'm still not sure of the fascination of the Studio with a less verbal Hulk, but his personality should have been based around one of the fan favorite runs.







He's... A Man-like MONSTER... an INCREDIBLE force! He's... ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him; and because of HIS......RAMPAGING; the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his IMMORTAL abilities!!! Watch out for that Burst of Gamma - the WORLD BREAKER!!!
Stan Lee - "The way I established the Hulk, the more he fought, the stronger he got...I assume at some point he'll get worn out, but NEVER the Hulk." Electronic Gaming Monthly magazine Oct 2006 issue - Proceeding Message from the CHURCH OF HULK!!!
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FrazettaHulk


Member Since: Tue Mar 13, 2012
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Agree with you 100%! Plus if they had used the 'Thor:Ragnarok' Hulk's personality in it back then, that would have been a clear distinction from Ang lee's Hulk. Plus a 2 year stuck as Hulk in 'Thor: Ragnarnok' coulda given us a fully devoloped Gravage Hulk moving forward.

Btw,08 Hulk gets smoked by Iron Man if shown THOSE power levels for both. I don't get why they thought such a weak Hulk was warranted. He strugged to lift a jeep and jumped round 30ft tops.



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skrayper


Member Since: Mon Jul 24, 2017
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I hope for a great Leader villain, but he'd have to look very different to be taken seriously than his comic version.

We all saw Hammond in the Green Lantern movie :/


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skrayper


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    Quote:

    Agree with you 100%! Plus if they had used the 'Thor:Ragnarok' Hulk's personality in it back then, that would have been a clear distinction from Ang lee's Hulk. Plus a 2 year stuck as Hulk in 'Thor: Ragnarnok' coulda given us a fully devoloped Gravage Hulk moving forward.



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    Btw,08 Hulk gets smoked by Iron Man if shown THOSE power levels for both. I don't get why they thought such a weak Hulk was warranted. He strugged to lift a jeep and jumped round 30ft tops.


I think they were still feeling out the power levels for the characters. Besides, his destruction of the army vehicles in the college scene still showcased insane levels of strength, but it seemed that his durability (surviving the fall, the weapons fire, etc) seemed to be the bigger focus.

DC has a power level problem, and Marvel has done a really good job of preventing that (we all saw how ridiculously overpowered Superman was in the Justice League movie). Hulk and Thor have both stepped up in power levels as Marvel has brought in more and more characters that fill that "middle gap" between the big guns and the street level powers. Initially they would have been so OP if at full strength... Imagine the Thor/Hulk battle on Sakaar, but now on the Helicarrier. You'd have a bunch of dead humans. You can presume they were holding back, but more likely Marvel was still feeling out their power levels. Still making sure they had story concepts that didn't end up with Thor and Hulk being the answer to every problem the Avengers face. Plus the Hulk fights X hero is getting a bit old, though the Thor:Ragnarok version of why they fight is much better than the previous versions.


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Toe Rag


Member Since: Mon May 14, 2012
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I understand but disagree with the feeling out of the power levels. If they wanted, they could show the true power levels. I thinks its done so the other characters are not overwhelmed. When I see characters that don't have any powers (Black Widow, Black Panther) hopping around like Spiderman, I get aggravated. But I am also aggravated when low-end characters, like Captain America, are shown like they are almost Hulk/Thor level.


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Actually, think that Warner finally figured out that Superman is indeed that powerful, as being the most powerful being on earth.

And do like the concept of Marvel shpowcasing more of the durability/healing factor of the Hulk...


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JesusFan


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Marvfel needs to rewally define their top tiers, as DC did with Superman in latest JLA movie.

Wonder how they will handle Thor/Hulk fighting Thanos?


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Toe Rag


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I'm not looking forward to a good showing against Thanks. In the cartoon version, they were mild irritants to Thanos.


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JesusFan


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They shoudl be shown as bothering Thanos at least....


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Toe Rag


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I'm tired of characters being shown as having all powers to the ultimate levels. Thanos can be strong, but not as strong as Hulk; project energy, but not on the level of Thor/SS; and be smart, but not on the level of Reed Richards.


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JesusFan


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Aactuslly per the comics, at least Starlin does him, he is superior in all areas you mentioned!


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Toe Rag


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And that, to me, is the problem. And how can you be stronger than a character who can get stronger, ad infinitum?


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Toe Rag


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I agree.


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bd2999


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I think some of that has to do with it being so early on. They were trying to figure out directions and this movie sort of did not go that way in general.

Not saying you are wrong, just saying that there were many issues with this movie that in and of themselves may not have killed the movie but together dragged it down.

It would be interesting to see the movie in the hands of another director. Like Gunn etc. although one would have to accept a more comedic direction.




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bd2999


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Pretty sure that movie audiences can handle a great deal of things if it is presented in the right way. Green Lantern presented very little the right way at all.




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bd2999


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Really, just replacing actors would be a big upgrade and a more interesting script. They could play up the whole Banner on the run for a reason with it starting with some sort of army after him. Of robots or whatever. And Banner running to make sure he does not hurt anybody and so on.

I do not think the general direction of the movie was horrible, but it just sort of skipped from point to point and did not add anything. Did we care about Banner? Not really. Did we care about Hulk? Not really. We were just sort of indifferent maybe slightly rooting for people.

There probably needs to be big moments to help define Hulk better and a few wow moments. We got that in Avengers, but they could have done more establishing here as well. Most folks know who Hulk is but establishing him is important.

Really, that would hold true for Thor as well. The first film for him did much better than Hulk but still.




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MysteryMan


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I want to see the science bro's work together being brilliant (like in Avengers) and I want to see Tony armor up and Bruce Hulk out...with Hulk liking little tin man because in fact..."HE DOES ENJOY LETTING LOSE!" ... and Tony seemed more than ok with this in Avengers 1. ;\)


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