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The Mandarin


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 4,984


In my opinion, the main problem this book has had has been that it is dry, which is to say lacking in Eros and Thanatos and the relatable emotional impact that brings.

A book staring Stark should, in my opinion, be basically a blend of Doctor Who and Sherlock. Doctor Who blends the power-fantasy of a scientific super-genius with the relatable angst of grieving for lost loved ones and the many people he failed to save. Sherlock has the power-fantasy of being a super-genius blended with a weirdo's struggle to protect the few people capable of loving him.

A book staring Riri should, in my opinion, be basically a blend of Doctor Who and Buffy. A scientific super-genius who mourns the many people she's failed to save, while dealing with teenage issues like her first boyfriend or girlfriend, and how her general weirdness makes getting one of those problematic.

I do believe that either character could work if that is how they were written. Power fantasy, eros, and thanatos in properly engineered combination creating an effective entertainment product.

Instead, both characters have largely lacked that proper engineering. They tried to make Stark this really dry story of a politician/businessman responsible for all of the world's large-scale boring political problems. And they made Riri so fluffy that her book makes "Moana" look like "The Seventh Seal".

Both equally dry, just for different reasons. I've seen nothing that suggests that this will change. Dryness is the problem, not melanin content or plumbing. Changing melanin content and plumbing didn't fix the book last time, and switching melanin content and plumbing back won't fix it now.




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MysteryMan


Member Since: Fri Apr 28, 2017
Posts: 926



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    In my opinion, the main problem this book has had has been that it is dry, which is to say lacking in Eros and Thanatos and the relatable emotional impact that brings.



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    A book staring Stark should, in my opinion, be basically a blend of Doctor Who and Sherlock. Doctor Who blends the power-fantasy of a scientific super-genius with the relatable angst of grieving for lost loved ones and the many people he failed to save. Sherlock has the power-fantasy of being a super-genius with a weirdo's struggle to protect the few people capable of loving him.



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    A book staring Riri should, in my opinion, be basically a blend of Doctor Who and Buffy. A scientific super-genius who mourns the many people she's failed to save, while dealing with teenage issues like her first boyfriend or girlfriend, and how her general weirdness makes getting one of those problematic.



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    I do believe that either character could work if that is how they were written. Power fantasy, eros, and thanatos in properly engineered combination creating an effective entertainment product.



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    Instead, both characters have largely lacked that proper engineering. They tried to make Stark this really dry story of a politician/businessman responsible for all of the world's large-scale boring political problems. And they made Riri so fluffy that her book makes "Moana" look like "The Seventh Seal".



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    Both equally dry, just for different reasons. I've seen nothing that suggests that this will change. Dryness is the problem, not melanin content or plumbing. Changing melanin content and plumbing didn't fix the book last time, and switching melanin content and plumbing back won't fix it now.





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Leonard


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 1,901



We can complain all we want, I no longer foster hope that this is going to end well. Bendis is hooked too deep into Marvel.



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Alexandre Juliao


Member Since: Sat Oct 04, 2008
Posts: 522


Tony Stark will never come back, even if he reappears in the book.

Because he's dead.

Tony died alongside Captain America, crushed when a S.H.I.E.L.D's Helicarrier crashed on them in Avengers Vol 5 # 44.

The Tony Stark we've seen since then, is just a counterpart to some alternate reality that Franklin Richards picked up on Battleworld and implanted the original Tony's memories on him.

The Iron Man haters at MARVEL won. They completely destroyed the character and made him die as a villain.

I knew all of this since 2015 of course, but only today, I realized that that situation is irreversible.


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USAgentfan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 2,535


I complained a lot about Stark under a few recent writers, but I've got to be honest and say that Riri Williams is just so incredibly dull that I would welcome any of those recent writers portrayals of Stark back with open arms.

At no point has Riri Williams elevated my level of interest above the level of 'inoffensively bored'. Shes such a bland, tired Mary Sue.


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The Mandarin


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 4,984


I disagree. I do see flaws in this series, but despite this I am often charmed by individual issues. I've found something to like in almost every Bendis issue. Whereas I hated most of the recent pre-Bendis writing on a level that makes fingernails dragged across a chalkboard seem like bliss.

I'm actually kind of torn by this book, since I enjoy individual issues, yet between those individual issues I often find myself thinking that the series as a whole could a bit of darkness. Nothing massive, I don't want any Millar type of stuff, but some of the pain one sees in shows like Doctor Who and Buffy would be welcome.




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