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Back in the day my favorites were -

The Mandarin
Titanium Man
The Crimson Dynamo
The Controller
Spy-Master
The Melter
Unicorn

Two other antagonists who weren't really villains but who I loved to see face off against Iron Man were -

The Sub-Mariner
The Hulk

You can see all my choices are old school. But I do also like this guy -

Justin Hammmer (currently a space popsicle)

And then there's -

Doctor Doom (whom I would love to see return to arch-villainny with Tony as a major anatagonist)

I'm actually hoping to learn of some more modern villains that people like.

Who are your favorites?








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The Mandarin


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The Mandarin - though mostly the version that Stan Lee originally created. They kind of made a mess of him from the eighties onward. If only they had focused on the origin Stan Lee gave him and enriched it instead of watering it down. Ah well.

Fin Fang Foom - just looks cool, sounds cool, is cool.

Controller - more for his potential than how he's actually been written. Very cool concept.

Namor - classic rivalry that has lamentably vanished in modern times.






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aquamariner


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How about

Blizzard

Obadiah Stane

Madame Masque




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    Back in the day my favorites were -



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    The Mandarin
    Titanium Man
    The Crimson Dynamo
    The Controller
    Spy-Master
    The Melter
    Unicorn


Is you had the opportunity to re-tool or re-imagine any of those villains for today, how would you do it?


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    Two other antagonists who weren't really villains but who I loved to see face off against Iron Man were -



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    The Sub-Mariner
    The Hulk



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    You can see all my choices are old school. But I do also like this guy -


I'm a fan of old school, but it means something slightly different in my head.


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    Justin Hammmer (currently a space popsicle)

I'm not sure how to put this, but IMHO he had all the makings of a great Half-villain. Great for behind the scenes scheming, fine for being the "man behind the curtain"; but he wasn't capable of stepping out and leading the charge against the hero.



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    Doctor Doom (whom I would love to see return to arch-villainy with Tony as a major antagonist)

I like him as an occasional antagonist, but he's already the arch enemy of someone else.


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    I'm actually hoping to learn of some more modern villains that people like.


I feel that any plotter or writer who comes to the Iron Man books, needs to make updating Shellhead's rouge's gallery a top priority.






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      Back in the day my favorites were -

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        The Mandarin
        Titanium Man
        The Crimson Dynamo
        The Controller
        Spy-Master
        The Melter
        Unicorn



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    Is you had the opportunity to re-tool or re-imagine any of those villains for today, how would you do it?


I won't address the Mandarin as we just had a long thread about him.

Titanium Man could be Tony's arch nemesis without much tinkering. Drop the Cold War context as Marvel's marketing department opposes it. Keep the armor and make it equal to the Hulkbuster armor in terms of brute force yet more efficient in terms of power usage. (This should irritate the heck out of Tony.) Make the man inside the armor obsessed with sabotaging Stark whenever the opportunity presents itself. (Perhaps Tony fired the guy a long time ago for an ethics violation. Something along those lines.) Make him a genius inventor who was motivated by the firing to become a super-successful capitalist in his own right. His evil plots are always directed squarely at sabotaging Stark. The rest of the time he's engaged in legitimate business ventures.

Frankly, I would make the Crimson Dynamo a flunky of the Titanium Man. He should be sincerely loyal to his employer for some personal reason like, say, his employer provided the funds that allowed his daughter to survive a terrible illness. He's essentially the Titanium Man's Jim Rhodes. The Titanium Man designed and built the Crimson Dynamo armor.

The Controller and the Spy-Master don't need to be retooled. They just need to be used in fun and exciting ways. The Spy-Master would often be employed by the Titanium Man directly against Stark.

The Melter should radiate a field of inert matter-melting power instead of firing bolts. That same field should dissipate energy attacks, stun biological systems, and let him levitate a foot off the floor. Thus the Melter should be able to just walk into a place, destroy whatever he wants, and then walk out, unstoppably. He would often be employed by the Titanium Man directly against Stark.

The Unicorn I wouldn't bother with in the Iron Man mythos going forward. I really only liked him for how his code name interacted with his power set. As a matter of fact, I think the next incarnation of the Unicorn should be a hero. He should earn his place as an Avenger and live his entire fictional existence as a member of that team thenceforward. He'll never be popular enough to headline his own book but that's perfectly fine. The Avengers should have some regular members who don't have their own books. These are the characters most of the drama will be built around.


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    I'm a fan of old school, but it means something slightly different in my head.


What does it mean in your head?


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      Doctor Doom (whom I would love to see return to arch-villainy with Tony as a major antagonist)

    I like him as an occasional antagonist, but he's already the arch enemy of someone else.


Well, yes, if Reed returns, then Doom should be Reed's arch-nemesis.


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    I feel that any plotter or writer who comes to the Iron Man books, needs to make updating Shellhead's rouge's gallery a top priority.


Definitely.






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      Is you had the opportunity to re-tool or re-imagine any of those villains for today, how would you do it?



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    I won't address the Mandarin as we just had a long thread about him.


I've actually been thinking quite a bit about the Mandarin, and what I think could be a cool way to re-tool him (or a more interesting way to use him) has come to mind. Maybe I should wait a while since like you said, we've just had a long thread about him.


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    Titanium Man could be Tony's arch nemesis without much tinkering. Drop the Cold War context as Marvel's marketing department opposes it. Keep the armor and make it equal to the Hulkbuster armor in terms of brute force yet more efficient in terms of power usage. (This should irritate the heck out of Tony.) Make the man inside the armor obsessed with sabotaging Stark whenever the opportunity presents itself. (Perhaps Tony fired the guy a long time ago for an ethics violation. Something along those lines.) Make him a genius inventor who was motivated by the firing to become a super-successful capitalist in his own right. His evil plots are always directed squarely at sabotaging Stark. The rest of the time he's engaged in legitimate business ventures.

    Frankly, I would make the Crimson Dynamo a flunky of the Titanium Man. He should be sincerely loyal to his employer for some personal reason like, say, his employer provided the funds that allowed his daughter to survive a terrible illness. He's essentially the Titanium Man's Jim Rhodes. The Titanium Man designed and built the Crimson Dynamo armor.


That sounds like a possibility. I especially like the idea of one being the sidekick of the other one.



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    The Controller and the Spy-Master don't need to be retooled. They just need to be used in fun and exciting ways. The Spy-Master would often be employed by the Titanium Man directly against Stark.


Those sound possible. BTW being used in new and exciting ways counts as being re-tooled IMO.


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    The Melter should radiate a field of inert matter-melting power instead of firing bolts. That same field should dissipate energy attacks, stun biological systems, and let him levitate a foot off the floor. Thus the Melter should be able to just walk into a place, destroy whatever he wants, and then walk out, unstoppably. He would often be employed by the Titanium Man directly against Stark.



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    The Unicorn I wouldn't bother with in the Iron Man mythos going forward. I really only liked him for how his code name interacted with his power set. As a matter of fact, I think the next incarnation of the Unicorn should be a hero. He should earn his place as an Avenger and live his entire fictional existence as a member of that team thenceforward. He'll never be popular enough to headline his own book but that's perfectly fine. The Avengers should have some regular members who don't have their own books. These are the characters most of the drama will be built around.


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      I'm a fan of old school, but it means something slightly different in my head.



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    What does it mean in your head?


In my head, old school means how they work, more than just who they are. Like wanting to use very old school combat techniques; An old school monarch might look like Game of Thrones monarchs, etc.
The Mandarin in particular should represent old school, and be in contrast to Tony Stark representing new school.


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        Doctor Doom (whom I would love to see return to arch-villainy with Tony as a major antagonist)

      I like him as an occasional antagonist, but he's already the arch enemy of someone else.



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    Well, yes, if Reed returns, then Doom should be Reed's arch-nemesis.


I think Reed will return soon, now that Disney seems to be getting the movie rights to the FF.


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      I feel that any plotter or writer who comes to the Iron Man books, needs to make updating Shellhead's rouge's gallery a top priority.



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    Definitely.







Alexandre Juliao




Since Iron Man doesn´t have a rogues' gallery with the same quality as Spider-Man or Batman, I tend to analyze his villains not for what they are, but for what they might have been. So my favorite villains are among those who have unfortunately been misappropriated, or fallen into oblivion.

Crimson Dynamo III (Alex Nevsky) - What a great potential wasted! Nevsky might have been Tony's equivalent of a Doctor Doom / Green Goblin villain.

Kearson Dewitt - Another potential Doctor Doom / Green Goblin combo that deserved to reappear. Technically he died, but there have already been characters who have recovered from worse death scenes.

Dreadknight - Another one that had great potential and is a pity that has been turned into a joke.

Techno-Killer - From Marvel Comics Presents # 132. Harold Marks is a guy who impressed Tony with the armor he created and even better, he didn’t have to steal Iron Man's technology to create it.

Jason Beere – From Avengers I#169. Armored industrialist invertor, one of Tony's main competitors, who could not stand the thought that the world will continue after his death and tries to destroy the planet. How such a cool character remains in obscurity, I don’t know.

Merlin - Meredith No Surname Given, member of the Circle from Iron Man Vol 5 # 2. Another potential Doctor Doom / Green Goblin combo that deserved to reappear (It seems like a pattern of preference is forming here).

Conner "Rebel" O'Reilly - From the Heroes Reborn universe, currently hidden somewhere in the original Marvel universe. Jim Lee and Scott Lobdell used a lot of Reed / Doom dynamics on this character, which turned him into one of my favorites way back in 1997. (Yes. We sure have a pattern here).

The Crusher - The original Crusher, was the first villain Tony believed he needed to kill. He would have been a Hulk without Banner’s redeeming qualities.

Skullcrasher - From Marvel Super-Heroes III # 9. A mix of the Ghost with Titanium Man. Impossible not to like.

Now, the three exceptions to this rule of mine:

Justin Hammer - Since Tony is a mix of Howard Hughes and James Bond, Justin Hammer is the perfect Marvel version of a Bond villain.

Madame Mask - Tony's version of Catwoman, just much more tragic and insane.

The Ghost - Yes, he may be a one-note villain, but he's a fanatic who never gives up and plays very dirty with absolutely no compassion.



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Quite a lot of your favorites are armored. That's very interesting to me. I would normally limit the number of Iron Man rogues who wear armor. Would you like a world where all of your armored favorites were active regularly?

I too wish Dreadknight had never been turned into a joke. An evil knight on mutated horseback really does seem a cool opponent for Tony.






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because they force Tony to step up his game and show what he's capable of:

Graviton
Count Nefaria
Thanos
Terrax - even though it wasnt canon
Ronan the Accusar


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Reverend Meteor


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Ghost. I liked his look and power set.






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The Mandarin


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Do you prefer his classic costume or his current one?







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Comicguy1


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I was thinking about this, and while Hammer is a major villain, I don't think that we ever got an origin or any background for him, unlike Obadiah Stone. I think that might be why he (Stane.) is the superior character/Villain.


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    because they force Tony to step up his game and show what he's capable of:



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    Graviton
    Count Nefaria
    Thanos
    Terrax - even though it wasnt canon
    Ronan the Accusar


I've never seen Tony win or even stalemate against the last three. Has he? How about the first two? (They seem more likely.) All of these seem like foes he would fight alongside the Avengers.







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    I was thinking about this, and while Hammer is a major villain, I don't think that we ever got an origin or any background for him, unlike Obadiah Stone. I think that might be why he (Stane.) is the superior character/Villain.


We found out he had a daughter. But she wasn't given an origin either.





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Reverend Meteor


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Classic.





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Alexandre Juliao


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    Quite a lot of your favorites are armored. That's very interesting to me. I would normally limit the number of Iron Man rogues who wear armor. Would you like a world where all of your armored favorites were active regularly?



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    I too wish Dreadknight had never been turned into a joke. An evil knight on mutated horseback really does seem a cool opponent for Tony.




Yes. I've always seen Tony as a high-tech knight, so it's natural for him to face evil high-tech knights. Most people actually find redundant Iron Man facing a large number of opponents wearing armor. One way to deal with this, is to make them have very different goals and personalities. But I wouldn’t use everyone I listed.

Alex Nevsky is my all time favorite Iron Man villain, but I would not bring him back. Not only because I would have to bring him back from the dead, but because their personal conflict took place long ago. I would rather create or rework other characters to take on the role of the villain who hates the hero on a personal level. So I would wear Kearson Dewitt, who already hates Tony, or Conner O'Reilly, who does not exactly hate him, but feels a deep hatred born of envy. Nevsky also started like this, hatred came later. Once chosen one of the two, I would only have to create a story where Tony would hate the villain as much as he is hated by him.

Skullcrasher is the perfect substitute for the Titanium Man, because like Bullski, he is a selfish political fanatic and has the advantage of having nothing to do with the Cold War, whose villains only serve to age the protagonists of the stories in which they appear.

Jason Beere is already a perfect evil Tony Stark, so I would make these similarities between them all the more evident and making Tony feel disgusted to see in him the person he once was, and how he could have become a even worse person if he hadn’t changed his life. Which would make Tony look more heroic in the eyes of the readers.

Merlin and the Techno-Killer share the motivation to feel that their genius is not recognized as they believe it should be, but they do not overlap. Merlin showed that she doesn’t like to get her hands dirty and the Techno-Killer has no problem with it, even enjoying it very much. So the two can be used in stories that would not seem redundant to the readers.

And the only change I would make to the Dreadknight, would be to replace his winged horse with a robotic one, to emphasize that he is a technological genius who considered himself superior to Doctor Doom. He had a private lab in Latveria, so even if he's not as good as he thinks, he's brilliant and ambitious enough for Doom to once have allowed him to have one.








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    Yes. I've always seen Tony as a high-tech knight, so it's natural for him to face evil high-tech knights.



It's just as natural for knights to face assassins, wizards, dragons, orcs, and basically everything else in the D&D manuals.







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      Yes. I've always seen Tony as a high-tech knight, so it's natural for him to face evil high-tech knights.


    It's just as natural for knights to face assassins, wizards, dragons, orcs, and basically everything else in the D&D manuals.


Which sets up the creation of a new rogue for Tony. Call her (yes, "her," let's have a major female rogue) named Echidna, Mother of Monsters. Her schtick is, she creates monsters (biologically) and unleashes them to do her evil bidding. A rogue like this is like a thousand rogues in one. She'd be awesome.










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Especially when he was drawn by Bob Layton.

The character is cool. I wish that he had a more memorable name ("ghost" is too generic).



Then, perhaps, Mark Scarlotti because his weapon is fun.
http://www.writeups.org/blacklash-iron-man-marvel-comics/
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/iron_man_146-147.shtml

Also, the Spymaster (but, again, the same problem than with Ghost, the name is too generic).
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/iron_man_33-35.shtml




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The Mandarin


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http://collider.com/ant-man-and-the-wasp-set-photos-ghost/#images

Ghost will be played by Hannah John-Kamen.






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Grey Gargoyle


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I hope that she will be a corporate saboteur just like in the comics.


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Grey Gargoyle


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They are not the Raiders but they were a trio or armored villains who attacked Iron Man (probably, the Silver Centurion armor ? but I am not sure ...).

Each armored guy had different high-tech weapons.

One of the guys had electrified powered gloves.

Just like the Wrecking Crew, Jackhammer or Iron Monger, their names were a play on words based on industrial professional vocabulary.

I can't remember what their names are and when they appeared in the Iron Man book. I don't think that they were in the Armor Wars issues.


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The Mandarin


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I don't remember them. I was not a fan of Dave and Bob's second run. I was mostly an X-Men and Daredevil reader during that era.




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MysteryMan


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Were they the ninja like assasins?

Or was it the Maulers? One had a shield Tony incorporated later?


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Grey Gargoyle


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    Were they the ninja like assasins?

    Or was it the Maulers? One had a shield Tony incorporated later?


I remember them as low cost Raiders but, like the Wrecking Crew, with a construction/tools/industry gimmick ...

I read only one story about them but it might have been a rematch.
Iron Man easily won.


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    I was mostly an X-Men and Daredevil reader during that era.


I understand that \:\-\)


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Grey Gargoyle


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The Seekers : Chain, Grasp & Sonic.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/the-seekers/4060-55805/
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Seekers_(Earth-616)
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/iron_man_214.shtml

They had no gimmick about construction tools as I thought but one of them had a chain and another had electro-gauntlets.





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