Marvel Universe >> View Thread

Author
Iron Man Unit 007


Member Since: Thu Oct 20, 2011
Posts: 1,716


http://www.cbr.com/marvel-legacy-marvel-universe-act-3/

They had a plan? Since when?

anyway from the sound of it, the originals and SJW versions will coexist for awhile, but I suspect the "there can be only one" rule will manifest and some characters get retired.

Just make a new parallel universe named SJW and send the SJW versions to that Earth.


Posted with Mozilla Firefox 55.0 on Windows 7
Reverend Meteor


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 6,363



Whatever plan they had has been a complete failure.



Posted with Mozilla Firefox 55.0 on Windows 10
Iron Man Unit 007


Member Since: Thu Oct 20, 2011
Posts: 1,716




Posted with Mozilla Firefox 55.0 on Windows 7
Reverend Meteor


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 6,363



The sad thing is I'm not entirely sure that wasn't the plan all along. They ruin the characters, they lose all their old fans, they have new fans who don't understand how crappy things are so they don't expect anything better.





Posted with Mozilla Firefox 55.0 on Windows 10
Grey Gargoyle

(don't forget Charles Xavier's original wheelchair, even though there are cyborgs everywhere)

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,133




Posted with Mozilla 11.0 on Windows 7
DCR


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 1,823


I wish they would just get rid of both the originals and the so called "SJW versions"


Posted with Google Chrome 61.0.3163.91 on Windows 7
America's Captain 

Maintainer

Location: Bayville New Jersey
Member Since: Mon Aug 06, 2012
Posts: 9,511



    Quote:
    http://www.cbr.com/marvel-legacy-marvel-universe-act-3/



    Quote:
    They had a plan? Since when?



    Quote:
    anyway from the sound of it, the originals and SJW versions will coexist for awhile, but I suspect the "there can be only one" rule will manifest and some characters get retired.



    Quote:
    Just make a new parallel universe named SJW and send the SJW versions to that Earth.


I had to look up "SJW" but I'm glad I did, as Social Justice Warrior is a cool phrase to throw around.

As for Marvel having a plan - yeah right.






Posted with Google Chrome 60.0.3112.113 on Windows 10
Comicguy1


Member Since: Tue Apr 04, 2017
Posts: 544




Posted with Google Chrome 48.0.2564.116 on Windows 10
Comicguy1


Member Since: Tue Apr 04, 2017
Posts: 544


Because "ruined" seems to be people just saying that they don't like the new directions, or that they want the old characters back. Who got ruined, and how?


Posted with Google Chrome 48.0.2564.116 on Windows 10
Iron Man Unit 007


Member Since: Thu Oct 20, 2011
Posts: 1,716




Posted with Mozilla Firefox 55.0 on Windows 7
USAgentfan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 2,503


Sales dont lie.

Marvel are in a two year sales slide that doesnt look like ending anytime soon, and whilst I'm certain that there are many things that have contributed to that, it would be foolish to think that the treatment of their characters and their ongoing PC-crusade havent played its part, or that the unhappy voices that are easy to find on any discussion forum or comic book shop you care to choose are simple people who 'dont read comics' and can be casually dismissed.

As for who theyve 'ruined'

Captain America - Nazi
Ironman - 'dead'/evil AI
Thor - unworthy
Logan - 'Dead'
Nick Fury - Now the man on the moon
Hulk - Dead
Pym - evil robot

The list goes on

Pretty much every classic character has been killed, disgraced, or otherwise marginalised - and I have no doubt thats a quite deliberate tactic by Marvel, because theres no way that their new characters can suceed whilst the originals are still centre stage.

Its a fact though that even having shuffled-off the classic characters, the new characters have STILL failed to spark the audiences imagination.

Compare the sales of pretty much any title you like with their all-new, diverse replacements and you will see that the replacements heroes to a greater or lesser degree perform more poorly to their classic counterparts.

The likes of Thor has on average only sold a few thousand less books than the previous Odinson-centric Thor title did, but others like Ironman (Riri Williams) have performed very poorly in comparison to the early Stark-centric volume.

The only replacement hero who has actually sold more comics than the hero they replaced has been Ms Marvel, which continually outsells Danvers book, although it is not a top selling book in its own right either.




Posted with Mozilla Firefox 55.0 on Windows 10
Comicguy1


Member Since: Tue Apr 04, 2017
Posts: 544


In ongoing serial fiction, characters get killed off (And replaced.) and resurrected all the time. Heck, do you think that there wasn't a backlash when Gwen Stacy died? Cap being a nazi, that wasn't the real Cap, was It? Superheroes go evil all the time, and later on that almost always gets retconned. Remember Hal Jordan? Or The Crossing? Etc. In these cases, ruined means don't like the stories or directions.


Posted with Google Chrome 56.0.2924.87 on Linux
Victor Creed


Member Since: Thu Sep 28, 2017
Posts: 1


It's definitely ruined. I'm done with Marvel after 20 years and so are many others.

Thanos is the only title I collect now.


Posted with Google Chrome 60.0.3112.113 on Windows 7

Alvaro's Comicboards powered by On Topic™ © 2003-2017 Powermad Software