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America's Captain 

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I ask because I found I enjoyed seeing Lady Thor, Ironheart, and the Falcon fight as a team. It almost had a DC Earth 1/Earth 2 vibe.

I've always loved the Falcon. Ironheart I haven't followed because, despite making an effort to, I just couldn't stomach Bendis's writing. I really tried but after a few issues it was just intolerable to me.

I was reading Lady Thor for a little while and liking it for the most part, but then she was depicted as holding her own against Odin. Odin! If there was one constant in the Marvel Universe, it was this: Odin can wipe the floor with Thor.






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Comicguy1


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Bendis is a good writer, but his dialogue has become a self-parody of himself. His characters seem to be there to just be props for one-liners. But from what I read of her, she does have some potential, I think another writer can do well with her. And yes, Jane as Thor is quite good.


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The Black Guardian

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At the moment, there really isn't a supposed hero that I disdain more than Jane Foster. And I especially don't like the story they've created for her.

Ironheart, I like. However... her origin story is an extremely weak one.


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America's Captain 

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    At the moment, there really isn't a supposed hero that I disdain more than Jane Foster.


Is this because you remember her as Stan and Jack's timid little rabbit? Or did she do something lately that you disdain?


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    And I especially don't like the story they've created for her.


The cancer thing? Yeah, it's Mar-Vell's nemesis come back for more (as it tragically too often does). I'm hoping Mjolnir can somehow permit her to shed her human "half" while retaining her Asgardian "half" so she can keep on smiting.


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    Ironheart, I like. However... her origin story is an extremely weak one.


Something about needing to satisfy her superiority complex? I mean, it's Bendis, so of course it's ludicrous. But she's an engineering genius and that's what matters to me. I don't like it when a non-engineer wears the armor. Without an engineer inside, all we're reading about is a fighter jet and its pilot. That's never been Iron Man in my eyes.






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Reverend Meteor


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    I ask because I found I enjoyed seeing Lady Thor, Ironheart, and the Falcon fight as a team. It almost had a DC Earth 1/Earth 2 vibe.


No and No.

But I have no problem with Sam.


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    I've always loved the Falcon. Ironheart I haven't followed because, despite making an effort to, I just couldn't stomach Bendis's writing. I really tried but after a few issues it was just intolerable to me.



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    I was reading Lady Thor for a little while and liking it for the most part, but then she was depicted as holding her own against Odin. Odin! If there was one constant in the Marvel Universe, it was this: Odin can wipe the floor with Thor.


Maybe they can just make Jane a Thor like character like Eric, Bill and Dargo without letting her keep the Thor name or hammer. Like she can take that old Thordis name she had in that old What If issue.




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USAgentfan


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I dont mind Jane as Thor. At least she is a natural fit to take over the character for a while, as she is so closely associated with the book. Likewise I thought the same of Sam Wilson as Cap.

Riri Williams meanwhile I cant stand.

From the fact that they clearly killed Rhodes off because theres no way that Stark could possibly have two black friends, or that anyone would take Riri seriously as Starks successor whilst Rhodes was still around; to the fact that she was so hastily shoe-horned into the role despite doing nothing more significant than stopping a truck; to the fact that Stark now seems to endorse child endangerment; to the fact that she's a terribly bland Mary Sue who has been promoted entirely along her census traits of being black, young, and female, rather than any interesting character traits; to the fact that Marvel want to have their cake and eat it by calling a book about a female child called Ironheart 'Ironman'.

She god-damn awful.


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Unstable Molecule


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I always liked Jane Foster, and having her take the mantle while Thor is sidelined isn't a terrible idea (even if sidelining Thor is a terrible idea itself).

My chief complaint about the way Marvel handled it was that they insisted that Jane should be called Thor. What if, when Tony Stark went on his alcoholic binge, Pepper had decided that people had to call her Tony Stark until the real Tony was back on his feet? It's ludicrous and disrespectful, and Jane should have refused the name if not the power. That still rankles me. It rankled me when Masterson went around calling himself Thor too, but at least in that case he was blatantly impersonating Thor. Jane being female can't do that. She should never have been called Thor. Going by the name of your ex - well, she should make an appointment with Doc Samson ASAP.

As for Riri - haven't read a Bendis comic since giving up on him during Secret Invasion, so I can't really comment. Generally speaking, I think Iron Man is a concept that is relatively transferable, and it feels like Riri was created to be "worthy." In other words, wise in the ways of mechanics and engineering. That differentiates her from Rhodey, who despite being very magnetic, had trouble filling Tony's very big shoes.

I think either of these concepts may have been more successful if they hadn't happened amid a slew of similar changes. Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Hulk, Nick Fury, Wolverine... all sidelined, killed or drastically changed to make room for diverse replacements. It was overkill, and in my opinion, it was a middle-finger to PC advocates ("See? You really don't want diversity!").






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The Black Guardian

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      At the moment, there really isn't a supposed hero that I disdain more than Jane Foster.



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    Is this because you remember her as Stan and Jack's timid little rabbit? Or did she do something lately that you disdain?

Well, by all appearances she has abandoned her son. No, I will not forget that he exists.


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      And I especially don't like the story they've created for her.



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    The cancer thing? Yeah, it's Mar-Vell's nemesis come back for more (as it tragically too often does). I'm hoping Mjolnir can somehow permit her to shed her human "half" while retaining her Asgardian "half" so she can keep on smiting.

Yes, the cancer thing. I also really don't approve of a lot of what she's been doing as Thor. And on top of that, there's the whole idea that she's the best Thor ever.


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      Ironheart, I like. However... her origin story is an extremely weak one.



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    Something about needing to satisfy her superiority complex? I mean, it's Bendis, so of course it's ludicrous. But she's an engineering genius and that's what matters to me. I don't like it when a non-engineer wears the armor. Without an engineer inside, all we're reading about is a fighter jet and its pilot. That's never been Iron Man in my eyes.

Her origin story just lacked any guts. Tony became Iron Man in a freaking warzone. Riri gets a Chicago suburb. Crime stats aside, her story is just blech. Had she been a military tech in Afghanistan or something, Riri would be awesome.


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