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The Black Guardian

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I don't think villain choice was weak in Doctor Strange, and nothing Fox's villains could add would help. All of Strange's good villains are ALL his.


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Iron Man Unit 007


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Well getting to use certain terms like MUTANT in the MCU would be nice.

Also Hugh Jackman did state once that if the copyright issues were resolved that he'd like to put the claws on again for an Avengers film.

Sadly though this sale is too late as Avengers 3 is coming soon and Avengers 4 is either deep in production or has wrapped and since these movies are it for RDJ, Evans and Hemsworth's contracts....

.....well....perhaps such a dream movie just won't happen.....

....unless....

They decide to offer RDJ/Evans/Hemsworth a sizeable chunk of money for one last rodeo as it were with a nice 2+ hour epic movie that gives us the Avengers, at least some of the X-men, and perhaps even the Fantastic Four all joining forces to save Earth from the hunger that is.....GALACTUS!


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America's Captain 

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    I don't think villain choice was weak in Doctor Strange, and nothing Fox's villains could add would help. All of Strange's good villains are ALL his.


Definitely true.

The Black Panther is a little different, though. Yes, he has three iconic foes: Klaw, Man-Ape, and Eric Killmonger, all of whom are indisputably his. But even so, his most perfect nemesis could easily become Doctor Doom. Wakanda versus Latveria just really seems like an exciting movie to me.

As for Galactus, he certainly seems like a good foe to face the entire assembled heroes of Earth. While Annihilus seems like a good foe to face the cosmic heroes.

Of course, that's where the FF discussion typically finishes. Doom, Galactus, and Annihilus. Nobody's pining for the Avengers to face, say, the Puppet Master, the Frightful Four, Super-Skrull, or Diablo.

Meanwhile, the Avengers have three iconic foes we haven't seen yet: Kang, Korvac, and the Masters of Evil. There's plenty of material right there for another trilogy, especially if all three are somehow woven into a single tapestry.

As for Captain Marvel - I don't really think of her as having iconic foes. Does she? But I continue to hold to the slim hope that Marvel Cinema may have the guts to set up Carol Danvers as the primary nemesis of Thanos, even as her predecessor in the comics once was. I mean, is she Captain Marvel or not? If she really is - if she's not just a poser - then Thanos should respect and fear her more than any other hero. That is the legacy of Mar-Vell.







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Grey Gargoyle


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    As for Captain Marvel - I don't really think of her as having iconic foes. Does she?


She has become the first line of defense against extraterrestrial threats (especially Blue Kree, Skrull, Brood ...).
Kree & Brood were involved into the origin of her powers. Skrulls are longtime foes of the Kree and are aware that she is connected to Mar-Vell.





Also, when she was a Starjammer, she was an enemy of the Shi'ar Empire.
Thus, among her main foes, there are :
- Supreme Intelligence, Ronan the Accuser, Doctor Minerva & Yon-Rogg the Magnitron
- the Brood Queen
- War-Skrulls (Super Skrull, Titannus, Skrulls of the Secret Invasion ...)
- Deathbird (see below), D'Ken

During the Bronze Age, her archenemies used to be Mystique & Deathbird. To this day, she still holds a grudge against them.




More recently, Grace Valentine was introduced as a potential archfoe (the equivalent of Veronica Cale for the Marvel Universe). J'Son of the Spartoi Empire is also in her rogues gallery.





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    But I continue to hold to the slim hope that Marvel Cinema may have the guts to set up Carol Danvers as the primary nemesis of Thanos


Apparently, the Skrulls will be her nemesis in the movie. Titannus might be the main foe appearing in the film.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/titannus/4005-43275/

So, in the MCU, Titannus might be to 1990s' Carol Danvers what Thanos is to the Avengers and the Guardians of the Galaxy.


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Reverend Meteor


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    I don't think villain choice was weak in Doctor Strange, and nothing Fox's villains could add would help. All of Strange's good villains are ALL his.


He has Dormammu, Nightamre and Baron Mordo. Who else does he really have?







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Reverend Meteor


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    Quote:

      Quote:
      I don't think villain choice was weak in Doctor Strange, and nothing Fox's villains could add would help. All of Strange's good villains are ALL his.



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    Definitely true.



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    The Black Panther is a little different, though. Yes, he has three iconic foes: Klaw, Man-Ape, and Eric Killmonger, all of whom are indisputably his. But even so, his most perfect nemesis could easily become Doctor Doom. Wakanda versus Latveria just really seems like an exciting movie to me.



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    As for Galactus, he certainly seems like a good foe to face the entire assembled heroes of Earth. While Annihilus seems like a good foe to face the cosmic heroes.



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    Of course, that's where the FF discussion typically finishes. Doom, Galactus, and Annihilus. Nobody's pining for the Avengers to face, say, the Puppet Master, the Frightful Four, Super-Skrull, or Diablo.



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    Meanwhile, the Avengers have three iconic foes we haven't seen yet: Kang, Korvac, and the Masters of Evil. There's plenty of material right there for another trilogy, especially if all three are somehow woven into a single tapestry.



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    As for Captain Marvel - I don't really think of her as having iconic foes. Does she? But I continue to hold to the slim hope that Marvel Cinema may have the guts to set up Carol Danvers as the primary nemesis of Thanos, even as her predecessor in the comics once was. I mean, is she Captain Marvel or not? If she really is - if she's not just a poser - then Thanos should respect and fear her more than any other hero. That is the legacy of Mar-Vell.


Carol's two best villains Mystique and Deathbird became more associated with the X-Men than with her.

Carol doesn't deserve Thanos as an arch nemesis IMO. (have they met?)






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Reverend Meteor


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    Quote:
    Well getting to use certain terms like MUTANT in the MCU would be nice.



    Quote:
    Also Hugh Jackman did state once that if the copyright issues were resolved that he'd like to put the claws on again for an Avengers film.


I think I read today that he isn't interested.


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    Sadly though this sale is too late as Avengers 3 is coming soon and Avengers 4 is either deep in production or has wrapped and since these movies are it for RDJ, Evans and Hemsworth's contracts....


Yeah we're eventually going to have an MCU 2.0 where the long standing actors are gone and the MCU focuses on new corners of Marvel.

I'm not really happy about the merge. I don't want the filthy mutants in the MCU and my fear is Deadpool won't be R rated anymore. I don't want Deadpool to be family friendly!





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Unstable Molecule


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I tend to think of Rogue as Carol's greatest villain. She certainly handed her a crippling defeat, even if it was really Mystique's plan all along.

I always thought it was a mistake to reconcile Carol and Rogue. THAT kind of hero vs hero conflict is organic and sensible - unlike the Civil Wars.




And a lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, with great power there must also come -- great responsibility!
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    Quote:
    Carol's two best villains Mystique and Deathbird became more associated with the X-Men than with her.


In the MCU, I'm guessing no one we've seen yet is aware of Carol. I figure that's why her film is set in the 90s. I think she'll be leaving the Earth at the end of the movie. So Mystique probably won't be a part of her mythos. But Deathbird - now there's a possibility!


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    Carol doesn't deserve Thanos as an arch nemesis IMO. (have they met?)


Maybe not in the comics but if I'm right, Carol will have been a galactic traveler (or prisoner) for the past 20+ years, so she could easily have encountered Thanos. As for deserving him, well, it all depends on what she's been doing the past 20+ years.







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Grey Gargoyle


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    He has Dormammu, Nightmare and Baron Mordo. Who else does he really have?


Indeed, they are the Big 3.

The others might be the Hell-Lords (especially Satannish, Mephisto and "Satan"/Marduk Kurios), Silver Dagger, the Vampires (especially Dracula and Victor Strange, one of the Baron Bloods), Yandroth and Umar.

Among the lesser known characters, there are the Fear Lords (for example, the Dweller-in-Darkness & Nox) and the Lords of the Netherworlds (for example, Tiboro).


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The Black Guardian

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    Carol's two best villains Mystique and Deathbird became more associated with the X-Men than with her.

    Carol doesn't deserve Thanos as an arch nemesis IMO. (have they met?)

You mean apart from Civil War 2? I don't think so.


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The Black Guardian

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    Yeah we're eventually going to have an MCU 2.0 where the long standing actors are gone and the MCU focuses on new corners of Marvel.

And this is where it dies horribly and shamefully. The new corners aren't going to be nearly as good.


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The Black Guardian

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It could be argued that Mephisto is a Fox property because he comes from a Silver Surfer book.

And don't forget Shuma-Gorath.

However, I really don't think any solo hero needs more than 3. By that time, it's time to reboot.


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Rodimus


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      Yeah we're eventually going to have an MCU 2.0 where the long standing actors are gone and the MCU focuses on new corners of Marvel.


    And this is where it dies horribly and shamefully. The new corners aren't going to be nearly as good.


I'm no movie-making-expert, but couldn't Marvel Studios find other actors to play Stark/IM, Cap, Thor, etc. after the current ones? It's not like they haven't done it before (Bruce Banner actor Edward Norton replaced with Mark Ruffalo; James Rhodes/War Machine actor Terrence Howard replaced with Don Cheadle).




- Rodimus




Help Make an "Ash Vs. Evil Dead: Season 4" Dark Horse Comics or IDW Publishing Comic Series
https://www.change.org/p/michael-m-richardson-president-of-dark-horse-comics-ted-adams-idw-s-ceo-publisher-sam-raimi-bruce-campbell-and-robert-tapert-help-make-an-ash-vs-evil-dead-season-4-idw-comic-series

Starz cancelled the show, and Bruce Campbell has retired as Ash, so help us with our petition for a Season 4 comic!

Also, I've made a .doc file for a posted flyer for the page. Please also print and post these pages at your LCS.

http://www.virtualtransformerstv.thetfcog.com/images/AVSEDflyer.doc


New 2099 UGR Fanfiction Group Forum!

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Blargh


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The MCU is hardly the only film that lacks in developing the antagonist in their films. Plenty of films struggle with this because the film is busy developing the protagonists.

This probably explains why so many of the MCU TV shows have really well developed villains, because they have the time to do both.

While obviously we'd all like Doctor Doom to take on The Avengers, I don't think having Doom is a get-out-of-jail card. Hell, Fox has screwed up Doom twice already.




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Grey Gargoyle


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    It could be argued that Mephisto is a Fox property because he comes from a Silver Surfer book.

I think that it is currently owned by Marvel.
Mephisto appeared in the Ghost Rider movies and the Ghost Rider property is, again, in the hands of Marvel.


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    And don't forget Shuma-Gorath.


Unfortunately, Shuma-Gorath's name might be unavailable. (^_^')
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuma-Gorath#Publication_history


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    However, I really don't think any solo hero needs more than 3. By that time, it's time to reboot.

That's true.


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The Black Guardian

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    Quote:

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      It could be argued that Mephisto is a Fox property because he comes from a Silver Surfer book.

    I think that it is currently owned by Marvel.
    Mephisto appeared in the Ghost Rider movies and the Ghost Rider property is, again, in the hands of Marvel.

That's right. I forgot the rights went back to Marvel.



Hmm... wonder how Marvel uses Shuma in their video games.


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    Quote:
    And this is where it dies horribly and shamefully. The new corners aren't going to be nearly as good.



    Quote:
    I'm no movie-making-expert, but couldn't Marvel Studios find other actors to play Stark/IM, Cap, Thor, etc. after the current ones? It's not like they haven't done it before (Bruce Banner actor Edward Norton replaced with Mark Ruffalo; James Rhodes/War Machine actor Terrence Howard replaced with Don Cheadle).


I expect we'll have a few years without the Big 4 and then, when they return, they'll be played by new actors.

But Marvel has lots and lots of characters. The movies have barely scratched the surface. Any of these other characters could become breakout stars. I mean, come on - Star Lord? Who saw that coming? Put the right actor, scripter, and director together, and I contend that nearly any character could be made into a hit. When you start to doubt it, think - Ant Man? What the-?

Now that Disney seems to be closing the deal with Fox, one movie I guarantee we'll see is The Silver Surfer. Out in the mainstream, non-comic-book-buying community, the Silver Surfer is known and loved. All they know is what he looks like - they may not even know his name -
but they love him because he looks so cool. Movie guaranteed.

Also don't be surprised if Mark Ruffalo keeps appearing when the other three of the Big 4 have faded into the sunset. His character is one of the best guest stars in the entire Marvel Universe.







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Reverend Meteor


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    Quote:

      Quote:
      Yeah we're eventually going to have an MCU 2.0 where the long standing actors are gone and the MCU focuses on new corners of Marvel.

    And this is where it dies horribly and shamefully. The new corners aren't going to be nearly as good.

    I'm fine with that. I'm bored with the Avengers stuff. On to newer things...even if they suck.





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Rodimus


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He was in the Marvel Super Heroes fighter game:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Super_Heroes_(video_game)




- Rodimus




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Starz cancelled the show, and Bruce Campbell has retired as Ash, so help us with our petition for a Season 4 comic!

Also, I've made a .doc file for a posted flyer for the page. Please also print and post these pages at your LCS.

http://www.virtualtransformerstv.thetfcog.com/images/AVSEDflyer.doc


New 2099 UGR Fanfiction Group Forum!

THE place to talk about the fanfics and 2099 in general!:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/the2099ugrfanficgroup/

2099 UGR Fanfiction site:
http://2099ugr.weebly.com/


G1 Transformers Cartoon: Virtual Season 4 Extension:
http://www.virtualtransformerstv.thetfcog.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PVTransformers (Staff List)

Virtual Transformers Forum:
http://www.tfcog.net/forums/index.php?board=19.0

(Sunbow/Marvel) G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero: Virtual Season 3:
https://virtualgijoe.groups.io/g/main

MUGEN 2099 Project Staff list:
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The Black Guardian

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Hence why I wonder how. The REH estate tends to be sensitive about their stuff.


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