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Reverend Meteor


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I'm guessing gold diggers want money.


https://www.cbr.com/stan-lee-sexual-misconduct-allegations/



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Reverend Meteor


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It probably is a lie. I don't really believe the accusations against George Bush Sr either and I don't even like him.



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Iron Man Unit 007


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Yes, Stan is not as young as he once was and maybe he tries to have some fun, and maybe at times he is cranky especially with his wife gone.

But I do not believe he is guilty.

Innocent until proven guilty, same with the others that are accused even the ones with enough evidence against them already.

The claims against Stan so far appear to be baseless.

But anyone should have realized when all the people started speaking out that the gold diggers would start appearing as well, and not just with Stan. I suspect some of the others are victims of gold diggers and their lies as well.


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Reverend Meteor


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    Yes, Stan is not as young as he once was and maybe he tries to have some fun, and maybe at times he is cranky especially with his wife gone.



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    But I do not believe he is guilty.


Yeah I think it's gold diggers looking for a payout.


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    Innocent until proven guilty, same with the others that are accused even the ones with enough evidence against them already.



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    The claims against Stan so far appear to be baseless.



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    But anyone should have realized when all the people started speaking out that the gold diggers would start appearing as well, and not just with Stan. I suspect some of the others are victims of gold diggers and their lies as well.






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bd2999


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In his career it would not shock me too much really. I am pretty sure sexual harassment was pretty common at one point of time. Or at least was more socially tolerable at the least.

I hope it is not true but again some things do not shock me anymore.




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Iron Man Unit 007


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I also had my doubts about that last trial against Michael jackson.

By that point, suspicions already existed about his behavior with kids yet parents still let their kids play with him at Neverland Ranch, and then he gets sued. Plus that one mother snapping her fingers at the jury when she was testifying....yeah that would have affected my verdict for sure.

yes, MJ was eccentric, yes his father was abusive and yes he missed a lot of his childhood. Does that make him guilty? We shall never know now.

But yes these charges against Stan are a money grab


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D. Strange


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    I am pretty sure sexual harassment was pretty common at one point of time. Or at least was more socially tolerable at the least.


Have you been watching Mad Men?

This is one of the many strange things that have cropped up about the past.

It is true that verbal sexual harassment was more common, but that was mostly because it existed in an area that not everyone automatically viewed as harassment. Of course overt sexual phrasing was frowned upon.

However, that isn't what Stan Lee is accused of. He is accused of groping, which has been viewed as at the very least bad form, impolite, rude, or inappropriate.

The problem is that it DID happen, but there was no way to call it out, especially since it was usually behind closed doors.

It is similar to spousal abuse. Many people think you could beat your wife for 70% of the 20th century. And you could... if you wanted grounds for divorce and to be arrested.

It was just reported less because of the problems of finding work as a woman in those days.

Don't confuse a lack of system to deal with it with open allowance.


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Comicguy1


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Or Dustin Hoffman. I AM surprised by this one, though.


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Iron Man Unit 007


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Anyone can accuse anyone of anything but the accuser tends to be the one with the burden of proof.

Unless someone somehow made a recording of Stan's alleged misconduct, the allegations don't have a leg to stand on.

The same goes true for many of the other allegations against people.

BURDEN of PROOF.

You can say it all you want, and I am sure some of it is true, but you have to prove it in a court of law.

unlike the courts of media and public opinion that immediately condemn without proof.

Bill Cosby: yes he likely is guilty. However the evidence against him as his recent trial showed seems to be insufficient. However he is also already being punished by:

1. Court of Media and Court of Public opinion

2. His reputation is forever tarnished.

3. Many of his accolades, awards and statues are gone.

4. He has been asked to retire (polite way of firing someone) from committees that he was on.

He's not hurting for money, but his reputation is smeared forever.


Once upon a time I was falsely accused. A coworker at the time was using a milk crate to reach a high shelf, she falls and i used my forearm to block her fall by letting her impact on it, basically a forearm block.

My hand was closed and turned away so that it couldn't and didn't touch her. She thanked me, said she was fine and left the room.

A few minutes later I was called into the office because she filed a harassment charge against me.

I explained the situation and what happened, and had them call in the two people that witnessed the event. They vouched for me. Further research into her revealed that a few years back she had an ugly divorce and she was basically an embittered man-hater now.

Guess who was fired? Hint: it wasn't me.


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Reverend Meteor


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I often find myself wishing the workplace was gender segregated.



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Comicguy1


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As much as I love women, the laws seem to be mostly geared towards them, and I think that the playing field should be evened up at least a little bit. And these sexual harassment laws are too broad, pretty much anything can qualify these days it seems.


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D. Strange


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You are right about the accusation. 100%.


In a world of sound bites, and social media, it is often forgotten that this is NOT a Napoleonic system The Burden of proof in America is always on the state or accuser.

That is a sacred right in our society, and it should be.


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The Black Guardian

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Most of the laws are geared towards women. Ever since women entered into the workplace, there have been more laws.


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Iron Man Unit 007


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My problem is that the male is tended to be automatically believed as guilty. One little allegation from a female and the male is doomed, regardless if the accuser meets the burden of proof.


Here's another tale from my past when I managed a software store long ago

next door was a radio shack, one of the assistant managers was a black woman. Now for me, that is no big deal I do not and never intend to judge based on ethnicity. I DO judge based on one's behavior though.

She had a tendency to come into my store at times and demand to know why she never sees any black people or females working there. My responses were this:

1. Mind your business and run your own store.

2. Try opening your eyes and shutting your lousy mouth and get a better attitude or never walk in here again.

3. You are wearing your uniform and badge from your store, thus you are representing the company you work for. Leave now, please.

And for those that haven't figured it out, I am Caucasian.

So, one day I open the store and my assistant manager tells me that the other night after my crew had closed and locked up that this person pounded on the door and demanded they reopen to service a couple that needed to make an exchange. It was my night off so I wasn't there to stop it.

My assistant and crew reopened which was:

1. A breach of company security policy

2. Caving in to an idiot that had no business doing what she did.

I verified this with the other staff that worked that night then alerted by district manager and then went over to the Radio Shack to speak to my counter part over there and reported the whole thing. I made it clear that whether she stays employed by Radio Shack is up to Radio Shack but she needs to be transferred to another store and to never set foot in my store again, etc.

She tried to fight it and yes she cried racial foul/played the race card but the evidence was way against her and she was dealt with.

My assistant and staff were left to me to deal with.....


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    Most of the laws are geared towards women. Ever since women entered into the workplace, there have been more laws.

Most things in business are still geared towards straight white Christian men. The laws are just to protect those who aren't from the horrible of those who are. And the laws really don't mean a lot because most do not follow them and they're rarely enforced.

Despite this, straight white Christian men get much better treatment in the business world.


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Comicguy1


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Especially with sexual harassment laws. They're so broad now that it seems that you can get fired or brought up on charges for just telling a joke (And in some cases I have even heard of lawsuits.) that a woman found offensive. I remember during one of my jobs (In lawn service, ugh!), we were briefly trained in sexual harassment and I remember him telling us that you even had to be careful about telling a woman that she looks nice (I mean, in a non-creepy or perverted way.). I remember that whole thing with Larry Summers at Harvard (Was it Harvard?) when he said that men were more geared towards science than women. People were calling for his head. He almost lost his job. It was ridiculous! No one would make a fuss if he said something similar about men. That's really what I was saying and the point that I was making.


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Reverend Meteor


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    Quote:

      Quote:
      Most of the laws are geared towards women. Ever since women entered into the workplace, there have been more laws.

    Most things in business are still geared towards straight white Christian men. The laws are just to protect those who aren't from the horrible of those who are. And the laws really don't mean a lot because most do not follow them and they're rarely enforced.



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    Despite this, straight white Christian men get much better treatment in the business world.


I would denounce white privilege but you know...it's just so convenient.

I can drive down the road and go through lines at airports without being bothered. Everyone wants things to be equal but you know I can admit I like the few perks I do get from being white.





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bd2999


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and it honestly comes down to ideology after a while. There is court room and there is things that probably did happen but is there enough to push things.

What is the reason for the accusation? Some will automatically think money, others will not.

It does not mean that all accusations should just be cast out or were made years after the fact. One has to imagine that in some situations of recent abuses accusing a powerful man would end up with the woman being destroyed.

The climate is different now than it was and it is more possible to come out with some things.

I do not know all of the details here with this particular situation, but I do not think that dismissing outright is rarely the best thing to do.




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