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- I don't think we've ever had a Jurassic Park banner.

Were you a fan of the movie? I definitely was. Dinosaurs have always been a favorite subject of mine (as they are for many boys the world over) and whatever else you may say about this movie, it delivered dinosaurs.

Did you know the so-called "raptors" in the film were not, in fact, raptors? Apparently real raptors were active in what is now Asia, whereas the movie takes place in Montana, where the dromaeosaurid Deinonychus had its range. The creatures in the movie were modeled after the dromaeosaurid Deinonychus, so the film makers knew their dinosaurs, but I guess "raptor" was a lot easier to say than the correct scientific name.

Do you find it believable that a theme park of the sort depicted in the movie would be made in our real world if dinosaur DNA were available?







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    - I don't think we've ever had a Jurassic Park banner.



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    Were you a fan of the movie? I definitely was. Dinosaurs have always been a favorite subject of mine (as they are for many boys the world over) and whatever else you may say about this movie, it delivered dinosaurs.



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    Did you know the so-called "raptors" in the film were not, in fact, raptors? Apparently real raptors were active in what is now Asia, whereas the movie takes place in Montana, where the dromaeosaurid Deinonychus had its range. The creatures in the movie were modeled after the dromaeosaurid Deinonychus, so the film makers knew their dinosaurs, but I guess "raptor" was a lot easier to say than the correct scientific name.


Montana? I thought the movie took place in an island off the coast of Costa Rica? Way too tropical for Montana.


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1. Insurance premiums and liabilities

2. Keeping them content and contained

3. Costs of feeding them, plus general maintenance costs and a DOOZY of a medical plan for the workers that covers accidental dismemberment \:\)

4. The first movie and Jurassic World showed that it only takes one good storm to wreck the place and turn the dinos loose.

5. The military would immediately confiscate the DNA and clone tech and like make dinos to turn loose against the terrorists......


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    1. Insurance premiums and liabilities



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    2. Keeping them content and contained



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    3. Costs of feeding them, plus general maintenance costs and a DOOZY of a medical plan for the workers that covers accidental dismemberment \:\)



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    4. The first movie and Jurassic World showed that it only takes one good storm to wreck the place and turn the dinos loose.



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    5. The military would immediately confiscate the DNA and clone tech and like make dinos to turn loose against the terrorists......


Don't forget animal rights activists.



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      Apparently real raptors were active in what is now Asia, whereas the movie takes place in Montana, where the dromaeosaurid Deinonychus had its range. The creatures in the movie were modeled after the dromaeosaurid Deinonychus, so the film makers knew their dinosaurs, but I guess "raptor" was a lot easier to say than the correct scientific name.


    Montana? I thought the movie took place in an island off the coast of Costa Rica? Way too tropical for Montana.


Sorry. You're right. This factoid from the internet is what I was getting at, though obviously I muffed it:

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The "raptors" portrayed in Jurassic Park were actually modeled after the closely related dromaeosaurid Deinonychus. Paleontologists in both the novel and film excavate a skeleton in Montana, far from the central Asian range of Velociraptor but characteristic of the Deinonychus range.
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Why would animal rights activists object? The whole island was full of creatures who wouldn't have existed if not for the builders of the theme park.







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    1. Insurance premiums and liabilities



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    2. Keeping them content and contained



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    3. Costs of feeding them, plus general maintenance costs and a DOOZY of a medical plan for the workers that covers accidental dismemberment \:\)



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    4. The first movie and Jurassic World showed that it only takes one good storm to wreck the place and turn the dinos loose.


If the movie had been made today rather than back in the 90s, I wonder if, instead of a theme park, we would have seen a reality show. At least that way the potential body count would be a lot lower.


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Trouble is, they're a weapon that can't be aimed with any precision. Nevertheless, they'd be effective in certain situations, like when the enemy is holed up in a cave.

But now consider this: The terrorists themselves could use raptors to wreak havoc in crowded urban areas!







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Ah but now that they would exist and thus the activists would still be likely to speak up.

Especially since they were brought back by man after nature exterminated them


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    Ah but now that they would exist and thus the activists would still be likely to speak up.



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    Especially since they were brought back by man after nature exterminated them


So humanity violated their right to be extinct?

I'm trying to recall if the keepers were being cruel to the dinosaurs. I don't recall any instances. My recollection is, the dinosaurs roamed free about the island, limited only by a fence, which in my mind does not constitute cruelty, as there is always some physical boundary to any domain. I would be reacting very differently if the dinosaurs were kept in cages. But they weren't.






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    Why would animal rights activists object? The whole island was full of creatures who wouldn't have existed if not for the builders of the theme park.


Because it's unethical to replicate hundreds/thousands of creatures who lived millions of years ago? Because we can't replicate the things they used to eat? Because we can't replicate the environment they lived in. And of course the obvious one...they're being put in a f*cking park to be exploited by idiot theme park owners with little guarantees for the safety of the dinosaurs or of the guests.



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    Because it's unethical to replicate hundreds/thousands of creatures who lived millions of years ago?


Why? Seriously, I would think it was SUPER-ethical, like the vegans (and other animal rights activists) would want the theme park owners canonized as saints.

Don't get me wrong - I'm sure there would be protests. There always are. I just wouldn't expect the animal rights activists to lead the charge.


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    Because we can't replicate the things they used to eat?


What were the creatures in the film eating? Probably cows and pigs, I guess, which I guess some vegans (and other animal rights activists) would dislike.


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    Because we can't replicate the environment they lived in.


But they wouldn't exist at all otherwise.


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    And of course the obvious one...they're being put in a f*cking park to be exploited by idiot theme park owners with little guarantees for the safety of the dinosaurs or of the guests.


Yeah, I guess the animal rights activists might fear the guests would hurt the dinosaurs. As for the opposite fear - I think a lot of animal rights activists (the more misanthropic ones) would jokingly refer to the place as the ultimate Darwin Awards contest. (Say, I looked up the Darwin Awards, and apparently they were launched in 1993, which makes them one of ours!)







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    Were you a fan of the movie? I definitely was. Dinosaurs have always been a favorite subject of mine (as they are for many boys the world over) and whatever else you may say about this movie, it delivered dinosaurs.

I loved it. It still holds up for me. Even though there was a sci-fi premise in play, I liked that the wonder of dinosaurs was the big selling point. Part of the natural world, albeit one we've never seen. That's why I didn't like Jurassic World, because now they are making new creatures and it's just silly. Or sillier, I guess.


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    Do you find it believable that a theme park of the sort depicted in the movie would be made in our real world if dinosaur DNA were available?

I think it would present a number of problems as the other posters said. I don't think animal rights activists would be in favor of creating unnatural half-dinosaur hybrids with genetic splicing. Fans of organically grown plants aren't in favor of GMOs, right? Then the religious conservatives would dislike the idea of playing God. Like Malcolm says, when man creates dinosaurs, man destroys God.

Even if these new hybrids were confined to an island, would they interact with the sea life around it? Would they carry any diseases or bacteria in that DNA? Seems like a lot of unknowns. Some scientists would certainly jump at the chance for an experiment of this magnitude. I just think it's not the same as humans giving endangered animals a hand with breeding. The ship has sailed for dinos and anything we brought back would be something else. Would this new creation be a good thing? Who knows.

I saw an interesting episode of the 90s Outer Limits where they recovered Jesus' DNA from the Shroud of Turin and cloned him. It was mostly a religious debate. In the end I think the kid had super powers or something. They could have opened Messianic Park.


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    I loved it. It still holds up for me. Even though there was a sci-fi premise in play, I liked that the wonder of dinosaurs was the big selling point. Part of the natural world, albeit one we've never seen.


It's the dinosaurs, man. The little boy inside the grown man just wants to see dinosaurs! How they show up doesn't matter. Maybe some kid rubs a magic lamp. Who cares?


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    That's why I didn't like Jurassic World, because now they are making new creatures and it's just silly. Or sillier, I guess.


New creatures was going too far. That's GMO. Could have created Godzilla! Hmm - wait a second - created Godzilla? Let's do it!

I would be utterly unresponsible. I'd want the biggest, fastest, deadliest creatures ever to slither, run, swim, or fly.

But I wouldn't make a theme park. That's where the movie (and the novel) jumped the shark. It should have been strictly science. Infiltrated by the military, of course. In my version of the movie, all the horrible disasters would have arisen from military tampering. My movie would also have had an anti-GMO subtext, but not clear cut. I would have shown both sides of the argument. Yes, GMO technology could yield unexpected horrors, but it could also yield amazing new discovering and really cool beasts!


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      find it believable that a theme park of the sort depicted in the movie would be made in our real world if dinosaur DNA were available?

    I think it would present a number of problems as the other posters said. I don't think animal rights activists would be in favor of creating unnatural half-dinosaur hybrids with genetic splicing. Fans of organically grown plants aren't in favor of GMOs, right? Then the religious conservatives would dislike the idea of playing God. Like Malcolm says, when man creates dinosaurs, man destroys God.


Yeah, I hadn't previously been thinking about the GMO aspect. The green community has a strong anti-GMO sub-community that would have held protests. I'm green but I'm also a latent mad scientist so I'd be torn.


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    Even if these new hybrids were confined to an island, would they interact with the sea life around it? Would they carry any diseases or bacteria in that DNA? Seems like a lot of unknowns. Some scientists would certainly jump at the chance for an experiment of this magnitude. I just think it's not the same as humans giving endangered animals a hand with breeding. The ship has sailed for dinos and anything we brought back would be something else. Would this new creation be a good thing? Who knows.


We wouldn't know unless we tried. I would try. I just can't say no to dinosaurs. Satan probably laughs in glee as he has found the temptation I can't resist.


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    I saw an interesting episode of the 90s Outer Limits where they recovered Jesus' DNA from the Shroud of Turin and cloned him. It was mostly a religious debate. In the end I think the kid had super powers or something. They could have opened Messianic Park.



Jesus-as-mutant has always been an interesting sci-fi idea.






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