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firstbornson


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Asking for a friend. Okay, I'm asking for me. I can be my own friend. I miss the feats.


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Knight


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Superman's had plenty of feats since Rebirth started.

I miss the classic look.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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RAB


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 1,091


Excitement and intelligence.

Superman (and IMO, a lot of comics) are just a damn slog to go through. Nothing excites me about the character, his interactions with others and the universe at large.

I love New Super-Man precisely because I find it exciting and I can't wait for the next issue to come out... and I find the plotting/the story ideas Gene Leun Yang tells to be intelligent.

He's dissecting notions of democracy and American Pop Culture; using Eastern Mythology as building blocks of character growth; doing his notion of Chaos and Order (in one of the best depictions since Kirby's New Gods)... it's the kind of storytelling i'd kill to see in the main Superman books.

Literally, just read the latest issue, #18, and was grinning ear-to-ear as I turned to the last page.

Reading that book makes me feel like a kid again, picking up Action Comics, Superman, Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes, the New Adventures of Superboy... ranging from writers as the like of Cary Bates, John Byrne, Roger Stern and more back in the 80's and 90's.

I look at the this whole Mr. Oz storyline and think to myself, "This could have and should have been so much better". They could have gone in more exciting and frankly more intelligent directions than what they did, which was just mediocre.

I don't want mediocre. I want super.

I want a cast of characters I give a damn about, I want concepts that are unique, different and told well, I want to see imagination on the what/where/why of the villains along with how Superman defeats them.

The only book I get that from is New Super-Man. And sadly, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon.




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liheibao


Member Since: Thu May 07, 2009
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The sense of wonder.

A fully realized Superman, that combines his Kryptonian heritage, with his Earthly upbringing, and sacrifices neither.

Feats. Yes, he's does them all the time, but I want feats that impress me, rather than confirm things I already knew he was capable of. Superman using the Cosmic Treadmill? Cool. Superman doing something I couldn't imagine? Better.

Stories like RAB is on about, though I don't find New Superman to contain them either. The knee-jerk approach to Superman is deconstruction, depowering, delimitation. There's no construction or building, as could be done. I really like Jon Kent, but the idea of Superman having a son, and the exploration of that idea, has barely happened and for obvious reasons.

The True Outfit




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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Him operating at those PC Silver age levels again!


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JesusFan


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Also miss him and Capt Marvel hanging out....


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omike015 

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    (and IMO, a lot of comics)

This is important to remember. \:\-\)

Time and a shifted perspective have confirmed that the things that lead me to drop the Superman books weren't problems with the Superman books, but instead are problems plaguing most of the industry right now.






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liheibao


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I miss Captain Marvel being called Captain Marvel. Superman loses his outfit and Captain Marvel loses his name. Just wrong.




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liheibao


Member Since: Thu May 07, 2009
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    Quote:
    I love New Super-Man precisely because I find it exciting and I can't wait for the next issue to come out... and I find the plotting/the story ideas Gene Leun Yang tells to be intelligent.



    Quote:
    He's dissecting notions of democracy and American Pop Culture; using Eastern Mythology as building blocks of character growth; doing his notion of Chaos and Order (in one of the best depictions since Kirby's New Gods)... it's the kind of storytelling i'd kill to see in the main Superman books.



    Quote:
    Literally, just read the latest issue, #18, and was grinning ear-to-ear as I turned to the last page.



    Quote:
    Reading that book makes me feel like a kid again, picking up Action Comics, Superman, Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes, the New Adventures of Superboy... ranging from writers as the like of Cary Bates, John Byrne, Roger Stern and more back in the 80's and 90's.


I'm going to give New Superman another chance, based on what you're saying here. I wasn't enthused by the first couple of issues, but if it's what you say it is, I'm missing out. I'll let you know.




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Knight


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Agreed on this 100%. And you can blame Marvel Comics for hogging the name without sharing because I heard that DC can't use it anymore without landing themselves in legal trouble. Hence the name change to "Shazam".





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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liheibao


Member Since: Thu May 07, 2009
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True. You would think that after all this time, Marvel would be magnanimous and allow Captain Marvel his name, but what can I say? They suck.




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Reverend Meteor


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    I miss Captain Marvel being called Captain Marvel. Superman loses his outfit and Captain Marvel loses his name. Just wrong.


The sky is falling. I agree with you.





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Gernot 

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Respect.

Superman at one time held the respect of EVERY DC character in the stable, and was admired by all. Once Frank Miller got ahold of him back in 1985, that respect diminished. \:\(



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Ancient One

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JesusFan


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So true, as Superman always needs to be the moral core of the DCU!


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Daveym 

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The feats are something I have missed for quite some time too; I'm not speaking of the time-travel, or the planet moving, just the creative way in which Superman would use his abilities. A lifetime of experience and self-training that would allow him to intuitively calculate just the right amount of speed and strength to perform some feat of physics, or what used to be one of his signature moves in creating super-speed updrafts to extinguish some disaster or remove some threat up into the upper atmosphere.
Writers have occasionally honoured these once signature moves and on-time confidence that Superman once over the years since the Crisis restart, Kurt Busiek and Scott Lobdell being most prominent, but at this point in time I feel the continued adherence to the post-1986 more grounded Superman is anachronistic, that era has been and gone. That self-limiting approach to Superman is now proving a hinderance to both character and storytelling possibilities.

*Related to this I will add here that I do miss The Fortress of Solitude of old. The distinctive Keyhole design entrance is possibly archaic by todays standards and yet it is the interior design, with the massive ocean liner suspended from above, the Pterodactyl, the twisted girder on its display stand, and the sense of scale that this refuge of Superman's had.
Today Fortress' come and go, none of them memorable, bar perhaps Dan Jurgens' grand reimagining back in Adventures of Superman 461... but this lack of a consistent design for Superman extends to other areas too. The design of Krypton, the design of his rocketship, what Ma and Pa Kent look like too changes on a regular basis. \(euh\)








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RAB


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    Quote:

      Quote:
      (and IMO, a lot of comics)

    This is important to remember. \:\-\)



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    Time and a shifted perspective have confirmed that the things that lead me to drop the Superman books weren't problems with the Superman books, but instead are problems plaguing most of the industry right now.


It really is a problem with the industry in general (which is why I get tired of people always blaming the writers, there's editors AND higher-ups, y'know?), especially corporate comics.

It's why I generally prefer independent comics and manga anymore, as there's more freedom there to be creative.

Here's hoping it swings back the other way.




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RAB


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I really find it enjoyable.

It's not perfect (sometimes things are a little too convenient and transitions aren't done as well as they could be) and once Victor Bogdonovic got taken off as regular artist, the art isn't always consistently great (some issues are better than others), but I really like it overall.

I find Gene Leun Yang's writing style fun, character driven and remixes old continuity with eastern mythology really well. That and Kenan Kong's transition from a punk who shouldn't be wearing a Superman costume into being worthy of it is a great ride, IMO.




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Bobby H


Member Since: Fri Oct 03, 2008
Posts: 357


The red trunks. Not being a father. Space aliens and the bottled city of Kandor. Kryptonite in every shade of the rainbow. Mysterious survivors of Krypton. And most of all... comic books and their characters remaining apolitical.


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 18,450


The smarts of Superm,an, along with his extreme tech, should be shown as much as his other superpowers.


He can make the Phantome projector, don't know how many others can also!


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firstbornson


Location: Krypton
Member Since: Tue Dec 08, 2009
Posts: 870


Besides the cosmic treadmill feat, what else has he done?


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