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midgard


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https://youtu.be/R551vAIxHVg

Thor looks a little more in control in this one!

Saw it yesterday.

I think the way marvel keeps both fan bases happy is
As follows:

1. Hulk still looks at least slightly stronger
2. Thor looks more skilled
3. Overall battle to be competitive/close. Maybe slight edge to hulk
4. Thor charges up with lightning
5. He short circuits hulks obedience disk
6. Hulk is only stunned by disc ala beta ray bill was in cartoon
7. Hulk loses by either being stunned by disc or
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mrfurious


Member Since: Mon Aug 28, 2017
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Why isn't Hulk taking any knockback? He should be sailing thru the air when Thor punches him like in the comics, or like when he fought Hulkbuster Iron Man.


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ThorTheMightiestAvenger


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1. I'm thinking that Thor doesn't want to fight
2. Hulk is reacting like how a normal person would react if hit by another person, as in they're equals
3. If Thor makes this look too good without Mjölnir then the rivalry is officially over





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bouken red


Member Since: Sat Jul 15, 2017
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...when Thor gets hit by the Hulk, he goes flying like a rag doll (in the official trailer, and in Avengers movie), but when Thor hits him (without mjolnir), it barely register as an annoyance to the Hulk (this tv spot trailer and Avengers movie). There is no more rivalry as far as the casual moviegoers are concerned. The only ones trying to argue for Thor in the rivalry are the Thor fans (of which I am one of them).  If you listen to casual moviegoers, there is no doubt in their minds that Hulk is leagues stronger than Thor. There are even casual moviegoers thinking that Wonder Woman is stronger than Thor. Before Thor was being compared to Superman, now, Wonder Woman is perceived as even stronger than him. I know we Thor fans know "better", but no thanks to Marvel and how they choose to portray Thor now.


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ThorTheMightiestAvenger


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True and as much as I hate it, again, if hammerless Thor=Hulk, then everyone knows that Thor with hammer>Hulk. Unfortunately Marvel doesn't want that so we're stuck with this





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makkari1


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    Quote:

    1. I'm thinking that Thor doesn't want to fight
    2. Hulk is reacting like how a normal person would react if hit by another person, as in they're equals
    3. If Thor makes this look too good without Mjölnir then the rivalry is officially over
I agree, if Thor looks too good against the Hulk sans Mjolnir, it would be assumed that with Mjolnir Thor would clean Hulk's clock. Technically speaking Hulk should be flying back like a rag doll but Marvel not going to do that. 




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sheridan


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hammerless thor should do well against hulk, but no question:  he's going to come out seriously worse for wear.  thor 385 is the definitive issue on this subject, IMO. 


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Visitor


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    hammerless thor should do well against hulk, but no question:  he's going to come out seriously worse for wear.  thor 385 is the definitive issue on this subject, IMO. 

No it's not.  The only reason Hulk gained the upper hand was because he put civilians in danger and of course Thor, being the hero, put himself at a disadvantage trying to save them.






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sheridan


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if i recall the issue correctly, thor's getting more of the business end of things prior to realizing that the fight putting people in danger.  after he realizes it, it's still getting the business end of things.  the set up, of course, was that hulk threatened a woman if thor didn't ditch mjolnir.  but other than that, i don't recall hulk getting some kind of upper hand (except for mjolnir being tossed) due to hulk's actions.  there was one moment where thor realizes he's about to hit a bus full of people, and that's where he realizes the carnage he/hulk are creating.  but keep in mind that he's realizing this as he just got casually thrown into said bus. 

i remember picking that issue up in my (relative) youth.  i thought "this is great.  thor doesn't quit."   i still have the same impression of that issue, and since it was written by stan, i give it a lot of weight in the thor/hulk debates.  



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Visitor


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    if i recall the issue correctly, thor's getting more of the business end of things prior to realizing that the fight putting people in danger.  after he realizes it, it's still getting the business end of things.    

You need to re-read the issue.




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bouken red


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Thor was getting the upperhand so Hulk threatened to hurt a woman so Thor would throw away the hammer. The second Thor threw the hammer, the Hulk blindsided Thor and continued to press on. That's not really a fair situation. When Thor got his bearing and the hammer returned to him, he threw the hammer again and wanted to continue fighting without it. But the Hulk left.


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Fifthchild


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    Quote:
    if i recall the issue correctly, thor's getting more of the business end of things prior to realizing that the fight putting people in danger.  after he realizes it, it's still getting the business end of things.  the set up, of course, was that hulk threatened a woman if thor didn't ditch mjolnir.  but other than that, i don't recall hulk getting some kind of upper hand (except for mjolnir being tossed) due to hulk's actions.  there was one moment where thor realizes he's about to hit a bus full of people, and that's where he realizes the carnage he/hulk are creating.  but keep in mind that he's realizing this as he just got casually thrown into said bus. 

    i remember picking that issue up in my (relative) youth.  i thought "this is great.  thor doesn't quit."   i still have the same impression of that issue, and since it was written by stan, i give it a lot of weight in the thor/hulk debates.  


Basically Erik Larsen had the idea to resolve the Hulk/Thor rivalry by saying/showing that Hulk was stronger but that Thor was more powerful with Mjolnir. Both this story and the 2001 Annual he wrote push this point pretty clearly.

Theres a lot of weird things about 385 that dont add up - i've heard rumours that there were art changes etc which may be why Thor's face is suddenly bruised in the last panel. Also Stan Lee was brought on to do the script and it feels like he tried to make things more ambiguous in the dialogue (which didnt always match the art very well) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯






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bd2999


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    Quote:
    https://youtu.be/R551vAIxHVg



    Quote:
    Thor looks a little more in control in this one!



    Quote:
    Saw it yesterday.



    Quote:
    I think the way marvel keeps both fan bases happy is
    As follows:



    Quote:
    1. Hulk still looks at least slightly stronger
    2. Thor looks more skilled
    3. Overall battle to be competitive/close. Maybe slight edge to hulk
    4. Thor charges up with lightning
    5. He short circuits hulks obedience disk
    6. Hulk is only stunned by disc ala beta ray bill was in cartoon
    7. Hulk loses by either being stunned by disc or
    8 Reverting to banner


It will be interesting to see how the fight goes but I think it is clear from that (as we know from Avengers) that Thor with his strength are not affecting Hulk as much as Thor would be with Mjolnir.

IMO, Hulk looks stronger in the fight. From the little we see there and in Avengers etc.




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bd2999


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    Quote:


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      if i recall the issue correctly, thor's getting more of the business end of things prior to realizing that the fight putting people in danger.  after he realizes it, it's still getting the business end of things.  the set up, of course, was that hulk threatened a woman if thor didn't ditch mjolnir.  but other than that, i don't recall hulk getting some kind of upper hand (except for mjolnir being tossed) due to hulk's actions.  there was one moment where thor realizes he's about to hit a bus full of people, and that's where he realizes the carnage he/hulk are creating.  but keep in mind that he's realizing this as he just got casually thrown into said bus. 

      i remember picking that issue up in my (relative) youth.  i thought "this is great.  thor doesn't quit."   i still have the same impression of that issue, and since it was written by stan, i give it a lot of weight in the thor/hulk debates.  



    Quote:
    Basically Erik Larsen had the idea to resolve the Hulk/Thor rivalry by saying/showing that Hulk was stronger but that Thor was more powerful with Mjolnir. Both this story and the 2001 Annual he wrote push this point pretty clearly.

    Theres a lot of weird things about 385 that dont add up - i've heard rumours that there were art changes etc which may be why Thor's face is suddenly bruised in the last panel. Also Stan Lee was brought on to do the script and it feels like he tried to make things more ambiguous in the dialogue (which didnt always match the art very well) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



That and Hulk taking a hostage etc. was also a bit strange. Not saying Hulk has not made threats but that seemed ooc.




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Visitor


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    Quote:
    Thor was getting the upper-hand so Hulk threatened to hurt a woman so Thor would throw away the hammer. The second Thor threw the hammer, the Hulk blindsided Thor and continued to press on. That's not really a fair situation. When Thor got his bearing and the hammer returned to him, he threw the hammer again and wanted to continue fighting without it. But the Hulk left.

Hulk knew the deal.  He was totally being dominated by Thor and knew he didn't stand a chance as long as Thor had hammer in hand. He had no choice but to take a hostage and threaten to kill her unless Thor threw his hammer away.  

Without the hammer the fight was a stalemate until Thor realized the conflict was putting innocents in danger (Hulk threw Thor towards a bus full of children) and the damage being done to the city. Thor told Hulk this but he ignored him because of course, true to his character, (back then) the Hulk never has a reason to hold back his full might and all that mattered to him was winning the fight no matter what.

Hulk told Thor to give up.  Thor's pride superseded his concern for others and he said never.  Again they fought to a stalemate until an incoming train with passengers was headed directly into the battle.  This caught Thor's attention and he was distracted trying to save them.  Hulk took full advantage and threw the entire train on Thor.  This is the point in the battle Hulk began to dominate the fight.    




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clime


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Unfortunately it looks like the Hulk lands on Thor in one scene meaning Thor is down, https://youtu.be/4yqM06buDsk but I hope that is not the end of the fight. You have to pause at 1:17 to see it but Thor´s leg is definitely coming up from the ground in that scene.


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Toe Rag


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So the Hulk is mind-controlled in a 3rd straight movie? Wow, talk about the talent level needed to come up with this storyline.


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MjolnirsPower


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    hammerless thor should do well against hulk, but no question:  he's going to come out seriously worse for wear.  thor 385 is the definitive issue on this subject, IMO. 


Let me start by saying I am one of the most die hard Thor fans you will ever meet. I've been calling Marvel out on their hate agenda for years, and been called many things for it. But feel wonderfully vindicated in light of certain things.


Having said that I'm going to actually defend the hulk here. I was once a hulk fan, I loved the character. Marvel and the fanboys they hired ruined him for me. It's because of them that I hate him now. However for the sake of accuracy let's be clear. While it's true hulk threatens a woman, to get Thor to throw Mjolnir away. Once Thor does this hulk says he never had any intention of harming the woman, he used her to get Thor to throw Mjolnir away. This doesn't justify the action, the woman; looking at it if she were real; would have been traumatized to say the least. But her life wasn't threatened. LMAO of course this raises it's own problems, after the fight was only a few seconds long Thor could have summoned Mjolnir back to him. Why not? His pride wouldn't have been in it at that point, and the woman was no longer threatened.

Here's the core issue EVERYTHING, and I do mean EVERYTHING about this book was designed by an acknowledged Thor hater to downplay the Thunder God on EVERY level. Thor is shown as doing OK with Mjolnir, but it's only a few panels at the beginning of the book. He only ever hits hulk, no sparks, no energy. And hulk only wipes blood from his nose in a rather uncaring manner. While he was "injured", at best he was looking more bothered by the hits rather than in pain.

This book was written by Jim Shooter, NOT Stan Lee who only scripted(he put in words to a story already written, in other words Stan filled in the blanks) it. Jim Shooter showed in a letter to the Spider-man comic that he had a specific dislike of our favorite Prince of Asgard. This became apparent when he set in motion his idea that hulk should be stronger and Thor should be more powerful. It was in this direction, which was Against what both Jack Kirby, and Stan Lee wanted, that the snowball got set in motion that has lead to some of Thor's most ridiculous showing in comics.


This is NOWHERE near being the "definitive issue" it was a pathetic attempt to justify one or rather more than one persons hate of a character. As I hear it which of 2 Shooter, or another decided the stronger, more powerful thing. But again is validation. To have an argument over which started it is moot that they both wanted it becomes clear. and here in lies what I've been saying for decades, which was written off as a "conspiracy theory". The comic side of Marvel isn't a co. it's a club. They hire and seek to hire like minded individuals to fill the positions there in. It's not an uncommon practice, really.
When I played World of Warcraft every so often there would be an advertisement on the main home page, talking about hiring people who love WoW for the co. I always used to say this was a bad idea. The chances people like everything a game has to offer is slim to none. So when they hired these people they would bring in, and influence the game with their ideas of what should stay, get better, get worse or go. This would naturally piss people who loved the things these new people hated. They should always hire people who had little to no interaction with WoW so their views wouldn't be jaundiced. Marvel should have done the same, but instead brought the co. to near bankruptcy.


The comic not only minimizes in time, and quantity showing what Thor can truly do. They placed him in a no win scenario. His strength and durability being "weaker" was having him on the receiving end of a beating that made him look weak at best. He was shown to be running out of steam. This is the SAME Thor who fought with Zeus for MONTHS without tiring. At the same time staying to fight endangered many human lives, to which hulk decides at the end to stop and leave, making Thor the "monster" in his own book.


So Thor is the weaker, slower, ego-ridden, arrogant fool who just had to fight and was losing to boot. Which is exactly how Jim "insert rude comment about him here" Shooter wanted. This is the same Thor who was shown to be not only hulk's physical equal, by the CREATORS OF BOTH CHARACTERS, but smarter, faster, more agile. In everyway Thor is superior to hulk. I mean what's a definition of force, Mass x Acceleration? So even bare handed Thor should win more fights than not, with Mjolnir it shouldn't even be a contest. Now add some of his other more exotic powers which he's been shown to use without Mjolnir?


Thor 385 can truly be written off as so much Thor hating hulk fanboy dribble, at it's absolute best.





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jazzbass6


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Erik Larsen was the penciler, Stan wrote the script, and Shooter did the plot.


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MjolnirsPower


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the point is Stan didn't write the story he wasn't responsible for it, he was following the direction of another.




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swmcbf


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I can not remember the source but Stan was unhappy with the way Thor looked at the end. He felt Thor was as durable as Hulk and the wording reads that way. Hulks statement and Thor was not down and willing to continue the battle. I don't think the issue settles anything and is not even in the ball park of disrespect as The Battle Begins. I agree Marvel has really misused the character whatever the reason.


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jazzbass6


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Stan DID write the story/script. Shooter did the plot of it. That's the difference.


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jazzbass6


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Agreed


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MjolnirsPower


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No the difference is that Stan wrote nothing more than the words, the story was already there.

Stan has maintained his thinking that THOR should WIN fights between he and hulk, even to just this past December when he was asked who would win. Some young kid in a hospital, suffering some ailment got to interview Stan and asked him just that.

He showed his thinking on the subject in JiM where he showed the only chance hulk has is if Thor chooses to fight him on a strength to strength battle, not even a true fight. He later shows Thor is more than able to take on both hulk and Namor with no problem.

The story of 385 was already all drawn out, the flow of the fight etc. Stan did nothing more than fill in the word bubbles, and That because he was paid to do so.




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MjolnirsPower


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    I can not remember the source but Stan was unhappy with the way Thor looked at the end. He felt Thor was as durable as Hulk and the wording reads that way. Hulks statement and Thor was not down and willing to continue the battle. I don't think the issue settles anything and is not even in the ball park of disrespect as The Battle Begins. I agree Marvel has really misused the character whatever the reason.


I'm not sure what wording you're speaking of.

When Thor is lying on the ground looking a mess and asks....

"Is there no end to the beasts strength?"

WHAT? This is Thor, he still has one of, if not the greatest strength feat in Marvel comics to today. He's the same guy who Stan wrote as saying his own strength was "unlimited".

Or was it when hulk says this....

"Thor getting weak.. hulk never get weak"

The same Thunder God who's proven he can go for Months in a fight without tiring. Who went toe to toe with hulk in the past before this and didn't "get weak". Funnily enough he did this with a hulk who was FAR stronger than this version as that was a completely out of control Bannerless hulk.


I'd say it's an argument as to which was more disrespectful. that battle crap was bad but lasted a few panels, and there was a hint at the end that it didn't really happen. Where as this was a long drawn out fight where it was made clear, in opposition of what we've read and seen before that Thor was weaker and losing. IN HIS OWN COMIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But it's as I said Jim Shooter was the snowball. At first it wasn't big and didn't seem like a big deal.... now it's a boulder.




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jazzbass6


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    No the difference is that Stan wrote nothing more than the words, the story was already there.


The Script vs. The Plot


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    Stan has maintained his thinking that THOR should WIN fights between he and hulk, even to just this past December when he was asked who would win. Some young kid in a hospital, suffering some ailment got to interview Stan and asked him just that.



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    He showed his thinking on the subject in JiM where he showed the only chance hulk has is if Thor chooses to fight him on a strength to strength battle, not even a true fight. He later shows Thor is more than able to take on both hulk and Namor with no problem.



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    The story of 385 was already all drawn out, the flow of the fight etc. Stan did nothing more than fill in the word bubbles, and That because he was paid to do so.



Right, As I said... The Script. Your original post said Stan drew it which was actually Larsen as penciler. I pointed out as per the "splash page" who was responsible for what. Pencils-Larsen, Script-Lee, Plot-Shooter.

Sort of like how Lawerence Kasdan wrote the script/screenplay for The Empire Strikes Back, but George wrote the plot and Ivan Kirschner directed it (penciler).



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Oliva


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      Quote:
      hammerless thor should do well against hulk, but no question:  he's going to come out seriously worse for wear.  thor 385 is the definitive issue on this subject, IMO. 



    Quote:
    Let me start by saying I am one of the most die hard Thor fans you will ever meet. I've been calling Marvel out on their hate agenda for years, and been called many things for it. But feel wonderfully vindicated in light of certain things.



    Quote:

    Having said that I'm going to actually defend the hulk here. I was once a hulk fan, I loved the character. Marvel and the fanboys they hired ruined him for me. It's because of them that I hate him now. However for the sake of accuracy let's be clear. While it's true hulk threatens a woman, to get Thor to throw Mjolnir away. Once Thor does this hulk says he never had any intention of harming the woman, he used her to get Thor to throw Mjolnir away. This doesn't justify the action, the woman; looking at it if she were real; would have been traumatized to say the least. But her life wasn't threatened. LMAO of course this raises it's own problems, after the fight was only a few seconds long Thor could have summoned Mjolnir back to him. Why not? His pride wouldn't have been in it at that point, and the woman was no longer threatened.



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    Here's the core issue EVERYTHING, and I do mean EVERYTHING about this book was designed by an acknowledged Thor hater to downplay the Thunder God on EVERY level. Thor is shown as doing OK with Mjolnir, but it's only a few panels at the beginning of the book. He only ever hits hulk, no sparks, no energy. And hulk only wipes blood from his nose in a rather uncaring manner. While he was "injured", at best he was looking more bothered by the hits rather than in pain.
    This book was written by Jim Shooter, NOT Stan Lee who only penciled it. Jim Shooter showed in a letter to the Spider-man comic that he had a specific dislike of our favorite Prince of Asgard. This became apparent when he set in motion his idea that hulk should be stronger and Thor should be more powerful. It was in this direction, which was Against what both Jack Kirby, and Stan Lee wanted, that the snowball got set in motion that has lead to some of Thor's most ridiculous showing in comics.


Then, they (Marvel writers, Editors, etc.) claim that they are impartial, and are not emotionally influenced by who or what certain characters' represents; or what they like or not like about them. These people are more fanboys than most readers. Like Busiek, who said that Superman is the greatest Super-Hero of ALL time past, present and future. Any reader would say the same thing in this Message Board or any other and EVERYONE would call him a radical fanboy, but not the likes of Busiek, no! What gave the right for Shooter to do what he did? The fact that he didn't particularly like Thor- that's what!!! No other justification exists- just like any ordinary run of the mill radical fanboy would think. Thus, the likes of Shooter CHANGED Thor's history in ONE single stroke by using his pen. Too bad that the Hulk didn't lift Thor's hammer and beat the hell out of him with it. No, wait- that was reserved for the Red Hulk... These people at Marvel are just so boringly predictable..


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    This is NOWHERE near being the "definitive issue" it was a pathetic attempt to justify one or rather more than one persons hate of a character. As I hear it which of 2 Shooter, or another decided the stronger, more powerful thing. But again is validation. To have an argument over which started it is moot that they both wanted it becomes clear. and here in lies what I've been saying for decades, which was written off as a "conspiracy theory". The comic side of Marvel isn't a co. it's a club. They hire and seek to hire like minded individuals to fill the positions there in. It's not an uncommon practice, really.
    When I played World of Warcraft every so often there would be an advertisement on the main home page, talking about hiring people who love WoW for the co. I always used to say this was a bad idea. The chances people like everything a game has to offer is slim to none. So when they hired these people they would bring in, and influence the game with their ideas of what should stay, get better, get worse or go. This would naturally piss people who loved the things these new people hated. They should always hire people who had little to no interaction with WoW so their views wouldn't be jaundiced. Marvel should have done the same, but instead brought the co. to near bankruptcy.



    Quote:

    The comic not only minimizes in time, and quantity showing what Thor can truly do. They placed him in a no win scenario. His strength and durability being "weaker" was having him on the receiving end of a beating that made him look weak at best. He was shown to be running out of steam. This is the SAME Thor who fought with Zeus for MONTHS without tiring. At the same time staying to fight endangered many human lives, to which hulk decides at the end to stop and leave, making Thor the "monster" in his own book.



    Quote:

    So Thor is the weaker, slower, ego-ridden, arrogant fool who just had to fight and was losing to boot. Which is exactly how Jim "insert rude comment about him here" Shooter wanted. This is the same Thor who was shown to be not only hulk's physical equal, by the CREATORS OF BOTH CHARACTERS, but smarter, faster, more agile. In everyway Thor is superior to hulk. I mean what's a definition of force, Mass x Acceleration? So even bare handed Thor should win more fights than not, with Mjolnir it shouldn't even be a contest. Now add some of his other more exotic powers which he's been shown to use without Mjolnir?



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    Thor 385 can truly be written off as so much Thor hating hulk fanboy dribble, at it's absolute best.





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MjolnirsPower


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I understand that, I'll correct myself. Honestly I thought the guy who puts the words was the penciler, and the guy who drew it was labeled the artist.

Simple misunderstanding on my part.

But my point was that Stan Lee had NO creative influence on the book. I'm pretty sure based on previous statements, depictions, and even later statements (Later as in 2 decades later) differ with that ONE book. Which makes no sense.




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jazzbass6


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    I understand that, I'll correct myself. Honestly I thought the guy who puts the words was the penciler, and the guy who drew it was labeled the artist.



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    Simple misunderstanding on my part.



    Quote:
    But my point was that Stan Lee had NO creative influence on the book. I'm pretty sure based on previous statements, depictions, and even later statements (Later as in 2 decades later) differ with that ONE book. Which makes no sense.


Not refuting what you were trying to say, just strengthening the argument with correct info.



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Vidar


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Love this guys selective editing lol. He's gone to a lot of trouble to edit this out and totally ignored the fact that:
1. Hulk fought with no honour whatsoever, even about to kill a woman unless Thor weakened himself.
2. Hulk bottled it and ran away.
3. Thor did not summoned mjolnir as this liar asserts - the hammer returned from being thrown.
4. Hulk ran away from a fight he knew he couldn't win.
5. Yes Thor was damaged, but Hulk fought dirty, cheated, bottled it and ran away.
Vidar



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