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Comicguy1


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I used to buy this when it was coming out (Back then, comics were cheaper. Boy, I miss those days.), and I thought that the first year or so (Heroes Return.) with John Romita Jr was really good. That Destroyer arc was the best, as I really did not know about the character before then, and that made me really dig him. After that, there was some good stuff, but it started to lose steam. I think that Jurgens should have left a lot earlier (Say, after the death of Odin.). Overall, I think that Jurgens was underlooked, and I would classify the Dark Gods storyline as a classic. If just for the first year, I would give him either a B or a B +, overall I would give him a C or a C-.


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zvelf


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    I used to buy this when it was coming out (Back then, comics were cheaper. Boy, I miss those days.), and I thought that the first year or so (Heroes Return.) with John Romita Jr was really good. That Destroyer arc was the best, as I really did not know about the character before then, and that made me really dig him. After that, there was some good stuff, but it started to lose steam. I think that Jurgens should have left a lot earlier (Say, after the death of Odin.). Overall, I think that Jurgens was underlooked, and I would classify the Dark Gods storyline as a classic. If just for the first year, I would give him either a B or a B +, overall I would give him a C or a C-.


The first half of his run was a B, but I'd grade his entire run as a C+ to B-. He was more ambitious than his execution would allow. Basically, his reach exceeded his grasp.




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sheridan


Member Since: Fri Jul 14, 2017
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Dark gods Saga A-
First third of the Reigning A+
Last two thirds of the Reigning D

Anything else in between, not memorable enough to rate.


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bouken red


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bd2999


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    Quote:
    I used to buy this when it was coming out (Back then, comics were cheaper. Boy, I miss those days.), and I thought that the first year or so (Heroes Return.) with John Romita Jr was really good. That Destroyer arc was the best, as I really did not know about the character before then, and that made me really dig him. After that, there was some good stuff, but it started to lose steam. I think that Jurgens should have left a lot earlier (Say, after the death of Odin.). Overall, I think that Jurgens was underlooked, and I would classify the Dark Gods storyline as a classic. If just for the first year, I would give him either a B or a B +, overall I would give him a C or a C-.


He did not get to tell the exact story he wanted to in the end, at least not with the resolution that he wanted. The first half of the run was pretty darn good and entertaining. The second half was still fun but had a fair bit of missed potential to it.

It was the one that I started getting back issues for when I started reading Thor though so I am probably biased a bit towards it.




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Upper_Krust


Member Since: Fri Aug 21, 2015
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    I used to buy this when it was coming out (Back then, comics were cheaper. Boy, I miss those days.), and I thought that the first year or so (Heroes Return.) with John Romita Jr was really good. That Destroyer arc was the best, as I really did not know about the character before then, and that made me really dig him. After that, there was some good stuff, but it started to lose steam. I think that Jurgens should have left a lot earlier (Say, after the death of Odin.). Overall, I think that Jurgens was underlooked, and I would classify the Dark Gods storyline as a classic. If just for the first year, I would give him either a B or a B +, overall I would give him a C or a C-.


The first two years of the run were as good as anything on the comic other than Walt's first two years.

Awesome stories, totally embraced what made the character great, introduced some great new villains, pacing was fantastic, JRjr's art was bold and beefy (perfect for Thor).

Years 3-4 were good but not as great as the first two years. I think starting the Desak threat in an annual was a mistake and the build-up took too long and too much of it was 'off-screen'. Gladiator and Zarrko working together was cool though. Thor Girl was fun. The demise of Odin at the hands of Surtur felt a bit too 'homage' though, although the silent issue was fantastic.

The final two years were okay. We got the resolution of the Desak build-up and a brief reappearance of Perrikus, but of course we had the whole Reigning storyline. While philosophically very interesting indeed, I think the slower pacing of that story, its lack of action and that it indirectly cast Thor in a shady light ultimately hurt it. Plus it just went on too long without Classic Thor (take note Jason Aaron).

Dan has commented that the Reigning was initially meant to be a mini-series and personally that would have probably been better. What they could have done was just have a divergent story line and then double-shipped Thor for a year. So say have Issue #60 A and Issue #60 B with 'B' being the divergent Reigning storyline.

Great run though and I do not foresee anyone having anywhere near as good a run as that in the current climate.

First 2 years = A+
Years 3-4 = B+
Years 5-6 = C+
Overall: B+




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Vidar


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    Quote:
    I used to buy this when it was coming out (Back then, comics were cheaper. Boy, I miss those days.), and I thought that the first year or so (Heroes Return.) with John Romita Jr was really good. That Destroyer arc was the best, as I really did not know about the character before then, and that made me really dig him. After that, there was some good stuff, but it started to lose steam. I think that Jurgens should have left a lot earlier (Say, after the death of Odin.). Overall, I think that Jurgens was underlooked, and I would classify the Dark Gods storyline as a classic. If just for the first year, I would give him either a B or a B +, overall I would give him a C or a C-.



Like most runs a mixed bag of good/bad but mostly good - and his was a long run, maybe the second longest Thor writer? He came up with some great ideas like bringing Asgard to Earth, which obviously stuck. He delivered great battles - Desak, Mangog, Thanos, Gladiator etc. However The Reining arc did seem to wander off and missed its allotted time to make its points, which meant it was prematurely wrapped up, but poignant nonetheless. As well as Asgard over earth, subsequent writers have borrowed from Jurgen’s - Aaron’s Godbutcher being a near identical copy of Desak the Godslayer. Magni, Thor’s son was particularly well realised. Jurgens could write characters well, but in having Mangog in thrall to Thanos he sometimes missed the SA mark - though any writer might make that mistake - in fact MOST writers probably would write it that way now. Bringing back the Enchanters was cool also. Dan respected continuity and legacy and built on Stand, Jack and John's work.

I don’t care particularly for Romita Jrn’s fast and loose layouts, so this didn’t help, but having said that, his big, bold visuals made the series feel bright and powerful. When Tom Rhaney came on board the book went up by several notches, with Desak vs Thor a real highlight of the serie, with Tom's clean anatomy and beautifully rendered details really impressive.

I highly recommend the Jurgens Omnibus and really hope that unlike so many other omissions, Marvel actually get round to publishing the second volume soon.
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swmcbf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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I left comics before Jurgens run and didn't return for ten years which it seems is true for a lot of people. The first thing I read was his entire run with the Oeming finish. The first fifty issues were a delight and the King Thor Reigning took a shift in mental gear to appreciate and had some definite flaws but was a worthy exploration in a different take on Thor. Jurgens tarried longer than he probably should have but I think had he been allowed time to finish in the manner he wanted that story line would be more appreciated. I truly enjoyed all of volume 2. I liked a lot of the Busiek/Perez Thor in Avengers vol 3 as well.


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Thor fans would have liked his take on what would really happen between His thor and His Superman going at it....

Stop if not interested....

Superman much more powerful, but has a definite Magical weakness, and the hammer would had KO Supes!


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Braugi


Member Since: Fri Jul 14, 2017
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The first two issues were amazing. Added some very cool new characters and some great set up for plotlines.... but he would start a great idea and seemingly lose interest and have a crappy and illogical resolution.


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Braugi


Member Since: Fri Jul 14, 2017
Posts: 192


I know we all have our preferences, but I'd put him in the bottom 25% of Thor writers, or at least close to it.

Jurgens did introduce characters I liked...I liked Magni, his characterization of Amora, the Dark Gods, his characterization of Zarkko (though I would have explored him a bit more), and I even liked the idea of Thor girl....BUT

I felt he was great at story set up, but horrible at resolution. The resolution of the Jake Olsen storyline and drug use etc. didn't make logical sense based on what was shown previously, for instance. The Reigning dragged on too long, and had poor resolution, etc.

I do hold that his first two issues are among the best in comics period...they were awesome, if a bit reminiscent of the Death of Superman, but still wonderfully executed, but most of what came after was good set up, horrible let down at the resolution.


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