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Vidar


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Sales will continue to dwindle and DC will continue to dominate Marvel's lame properties. On the upside, Alonso was fired and no one at Marvel's had a supporting to word to say about him. There's nothing like staring into your own extinction to focus one's priorities and personal agendas, eh 'liberals'. Liberal as long as you agree with them. I don't want an alternative, just an agenda free entertainment please.

Aaron's been dragging things out because he doesn't have any ideas. There's glimpses that Marvel publishing is starting to sort itself out. Waid is back on Cap. What we need is JMS back on the book BADLY, with the promise that there'd be no more 'event' interference from Bendis either \:\) Or Walt. Never though 'or' would preface Walt, but it's almost too much to ask. If Marvel want to capitalise on their big selling MCU property they need to dump Aaron fast and get back on track with a quality writer who understands the character of Thor and knows where to take him.
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jazzbass6


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Agreed, but I think Abnett and Lanning would be cool with Scott Eaton on art. Their Thor/Iron Man God Complex was great. Also, Abnett's He-man was way more "Thor" than anything Ass Clown Aaron has written, and that's including TGoT. Bringing back the team of Oeming and DiVito would also work.


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Thor64


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    Agreed, but I think Abnett and Lanning would be cool with Scott Eaton on art. Their Thor/Iron Man God Complex was great. Also, Abnett's He-man was way more "Thor" than anything Ass Clown Aaron has written, and that's including TGoT. Bringing back the team of Oeming and DiVito would also work.


As much as I agree with you, there's one minor problem here.....

Abnett and Lanning aren't together anymore. They broke up a while ago.

Abnett is working with D.C. now on other titles such as Aquaman and Titans.

I really loved Oeming's run on Thor but but he's gone on record saying he thinks Hulk sis stronger and cannot be defeated in physical combat.


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Upper_Krust


Member Since: Fri Aug 21, 2015
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    Sales will continue to dwindle and DC will continue to dominate Marvel's lame properties.


I think in the short term Marvel's sales will continue to fall, fans are waiting for something to happen before they return en masse and I don't see ANY evidence of that yet, although CB Cebulski only just took over and these books are prepped months in advance (if not years).


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    On the upside, Alonso was fired and no one at Marvel's had a supporting to word to say about him.


He'll go down in history as the man who almost ruined Marvel comics.


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    There's nothing like staring into your own extinction to focus one's priorities and personal agendas, eh 'liberals'. Liberal as long as you agree with them. I don't want an alternative, just an agenda free entertainment please.


You shouldn't peddle politics in someone else's creation.

If writers want to inject politics into comics they should do so in titles THEY create.

...and by politics I mean specifically leftist identity politics, not simply stories with some political component (for instance spy based stories like Black Widow could always have some political component).


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    Aaron's been dragging things out because he doesn't have any ideas.


I disagree with this, I think Aaron has lots of ideas, simply that none of them seem like good news for Thor or Thor fans.


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    There's glimpses that Marvel publishing is starting to sort itself out. Waid is back on Cap.


Well Marvel seemingly chased all their best writers away.


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    What we need is JMS back on the book BADLY, with the promise that there'd be no more 'event' interference from Bendis either \:\)


I'd like a writer on the book who is a Thor fan, preferably one not big on decompression.


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    Or Walt. Never though 'or' would preface Walt, but it's almost too much to ask.


They say never go back to your ex.


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    If Marvel want to capitalise on their big selling MCU property they need to dump Aaron fast and get back on track with a quality writer who understands the character of Thor and knows where to take him.
    Vidar


While Aaron is writing one of Marvel's best selling books we won't see a new writer.




You address Omnipotence...tread carefully.
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58brb


Member Since: Mon Feb 27, 2017
Posts: 53


So many posters here are spot on with why I have quit Marvel, Vidar and Toerag in this topic. Stories can and should be written to entertain, keep politics and personal bias out of stories, it does not matter writers beliefs, i.e Squirrel Girl. I was never a huge spender on books 50 a month, now they get nothing. They could come and engage readers of these boards and find a common way foward, just maybe keep classic in own universe and send others to their wife own. Jane Thor is not for me but some it is, I would guess people like me stuck around longer than most new will.



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Vidar


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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      Sales will continue to dwindle and DC will continue to dominate Marvel's lame properties.



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    I think in the short term Marvel's sales will continue to fall, fans are waiting for something to happen before they return en masse and I don't see ANY evidence of that yet, although CB Cebulski only just took over and these books are prepped months in advance (if not years).



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      On the upside, Alonso was fired and no one at Marvel's had a supporting to word to say about him.



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    He'll go down in history as the man who almost ruined Marvel comics.


Agreed, but not single-handedly. Bendis is no fool and got out while the going was good. I'd expect others to get the boot too.


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      There's nothing like staring into your own extinction to focus one's priorities and personal agendas, eh 'liberals'. Liberal as long as you agree with them. I don't want an alternative, just an agenda free entertainment please.



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    You shouldn't peddle politics in someone else's creation.


Agreed. It's not even that they're preaching - Marvel has always been very subtly subversive - that would seem to come with the territory. It's the level and extent of the damage they've been intent of wreaking. It's been really nasty and prolonged for so long.


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    If writers want to inject politics into comics they should do so in titles THEY create.


Aaron seem to be what a friend of mine refers to as a 'tampon collector'. In other words, he's regularly sent down to the pharmacist on an errand. He's not capable of making statements through his own properties and no doubt makes groundless excuses for the need to do it through Thor.


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    ...and by politics I mean specifically leftist identity politics, not simply stories with some political component (for instance spy based stories like Black Widow could always have some political component).


Yeah, totally agree. It's the same with the BBC. I laugh at 'Have I Got News For You' but it would be nice to see a comedian or host who isn't a fully paid up guardian reading luvvie just occasionally.


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      Aaron's been dragging things out because he doesn't have any ideas.



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    I disagree with this, I think Aaron has lots of ideas, simply that none of them seem like good news for Thor or Thor fans.


No, I'm not convinced. God butcher was a rip of Desaak. Jane was what, a rip of what if, Earth X, Storm and even JMS. The whole Roxxon / Malekith thing has dragged on and on and on. Thor losing an arm was another Jurgens rip. His sole raison detre has been about subverting Thor.


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      There's glimpses that Marvel publishing is starting to sort itself out. Waid is back on Cap.



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    Well Marvel seemingly chased all their best writers away.


LOL. And their artists...Marvel have been getting away with a lot. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if Marvel Comic closed down.


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      What we need is JMS back on the book BADLY, with the promise that there'd be no more 'event' interference from Bendis either \:\)



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    I'd like a writer on the book who is a Thor fan, preferably one not big on decompression.


JMS' run was slow and I remember being frustrated with it at the time, being monthly instalments and often late. But read in trade it's great. Quality writing with excellent characterisation and plot development. Gillen did a great job afterward as well.


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      Or Walt. Never though 'or' would preface Walt, but it's almost too much to ask.



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    They say never go back to your ex.


LOL


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      If Marvel want to capitalise on their big selling MCU property they need to dump Aaron fast and get back on track with a quality writer who understands the character of Thor and knows where to take him.
      Vidar



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    While Aaron is writing one of Marvel's best selling books we won't see a new writer.


Yeah, that's a curious situation. It IS one of their better selling books but when you look at the top 10, mostly DC dominated, the numbers are a tiny fraction of what their individual books are doing. The problem for Marvel is that they've got problems across the board, really systemic. Not sure how much the new guy can do, but he's got his work cut out.
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Upper_Krust


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    Agreed, but not single-handedly. Bendis is no fool and got out while the going was good. I'd expect others to get the boot too.


The Captain needs to go down with the ship though. Alonso needed to go.


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    Agreed. It's not even that they're preaching - Marvel has always been very subtly subversive - that would seem to come with the territory. It's the level and extent of the damage they've been intent of wreaking. It's been really nasty and prolonged for so long.


That's the feminist agenda they peddle though - it destroys everything it touches.


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    Aaron seem to be what a friend of mine refers to as a 'tampon collector'. In other words, he's regularly sent down to the pharmacist on an errand. He's not capable of making statements through his own properties and no doubt makes groundless excuses for the need to do it through Thor.


No one cares about what Aaron is saying in his own books.

I have seen what the Left are doing explained as them trying to take over (white male icon) franchises as if they are an army taking over a territory. Once they have captured a franchise they are in a position of influence to SUBVERT that franchise and all it previously stood for.

So they turn a strong man into a weak man and have him replaced by a (better) woman.

They turn a patriot into a traitor.

etc.


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    Yeah, totally agree. It's the same with the BBC. I laugh at 'Have I Got News For You' but it would be nice to see a comedian or host who isn't a fully paid up guardian reading luvvie just occasionally.


I stopped watching that years ago, far too biased. In fact I watch very little television because its all cucks and lefties.

I just about stomach Question Time and This Week which at least usually have a contrast of opinions.


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    No, I'm not convinced. God butcher was a rip of Desaak. Jane was what, a rip of what if, Earth X, Storm and even JMS. The whole Roxxon / Malekith thing has dragged on and on and on. Thor losing an arm was another Jurgens rip. His sole raison detre has been about subverting Thor.


- He gave us the Three Thors (though it was a bit dragged out).
- Gorr was like Desak, but a far more mature villain.
- The War of Realms is a good idea (again dragged out too much for my tastes but the idea is good).
- He created several mysteries that fueled controversy (and remember controversy creates cash) like what was the whisper; who is the female Thor; will Thor get Ultimate Mjolnir, who is War Thor, will Jane die. etc.
- Asgard Shi'Ar war was a good idea.
- He fully committed to the Jane thing even giving her the name Thor.

I mean yes his feminist agenda shapes and taints everything he's done BUT he has wrapped it all up in the veneer of some interesting ideas.

Aaron has some chops. I don't like Decompressed stories and I disagree with him injecting his Political Agenda into Thor, but those things aside he's probably one of the best writers currently working in comics - certainly at Marvel.


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    LOL. And their artists...Marvel have been getting away with a lot. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if Marvel Comic closed down.


It would annoy me that the SJWs had destroyed a company I have loved for decades.


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    JMS' run was slow and I remember being frustrated with it at the time, being monthly instalments and often late. But read in trade it's great. Quality writing with excellent characterisation and plot development. Gillen did a great job afterward as well.


Decompressed stories always read badly in comics format and better in trade format.


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    Yeah, that's a curious situation. It IS one of their better selling books but when you look at the top 10, mostly DC dominated, the numbers are a tiny fraction of what their individual books are doing. The problem for Marvel is that they've got problems across the board, really systemic. Not sure how much the new guy can do, but he's got his work cut out.
    Vidar


Its a ridiculous situation and Marvel still have Far too many 'fifth columnists' within its ranks that put identity politics ahead of telling entertaining escapist stories.




You address Omnipotence...tread carefully.
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bd2999


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Dominate? Really, none of the comic book numbers look that good to me. The population reading comics is decreasing it seems.

People can do what they want with their money but I think the whole thing has also brought out something that apparently was present in the comic reading population that is pretty ugly. And even if I do not consider the aspects in question, the general intolerance towards different things is a bit scary.




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Vidar


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    Dominate? Really, none of the comic book numbers look that good to me. The population reading comics is decreasing it seems.


You *are* kidding with that first comment, right? It's pretty well documented out there. Yes the periodical print market is diminishing, whilst other platforms grow. But Marvel's problem is that their core IP has fallen through the floor. Like somebody said, fem Thor is one of their better selling titles. Even then, when you compare it to DC's bigger selling IP it's laughable. And when you compare it to say, JMS from just a few years ago it's tragic.


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    People can do what they want with their money but I think the whole thing has also brought out something that apparently was present in the comic reading population that is pretty ugly. And even if I do not consider the aspects in question, the general intolerance towards different things is a bit scary.


I see that from the opposite end, based on what Marvel have done, the way they've done it and the reasons why. I'd question anyone's perspective, perception and intelligence if they cannot acknowledge that. I think you, and many of those on the so called liberal or left immediately assume that someone from my perspective is automatically on the right, and all the perceived associations that might imply. I haven't seen anything ugly here, other than people's desire to close down free thought and debate via a variety of methods.
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bd2999


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      Dominate? Really, none of the comic book numbers look that good to me. The population reading comics is decreasing it seems.



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    You *are* kidding with that first comment, right? It's pretty well documented out there. Yes the periodical print market is diminishing, whilst other platforms grow. But Marvel's problem is that their core IP has fallen through the floor. Like somebody said, fem Thor is one of their better selling titles. Even then, when you compare it to DC's bigger selling IP it's laughable. And when you compare it to say, JMS from just a few years ago it's tragic.


Not sure how this addresses my point about none of the comic book sales figures looking that good.

Folks can complain about whatever bias they want. They have a right to spend the money where they want to do so. It is not like DC's numbers are historically good either.

For what it is worth, JMS run was very flawed in many respects too. So it is ironic we are looking back on it happily now. I always considered Fraction to have the worst Thor run in terms of overall story quality. Others will differ, that is their right.


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      People can do what they want with their money but I think the whole thing has also brought out something that apparently was present in the comic reading population that is pretty ugly. And even if I do not consider the aspects in question, the general intolerance towards different things is a bit scary.



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    I see that from the opposite end, based on what Marvel have done, the way they've done it and the reasons why. I'd question anyone's perspective, perception and intelligence if they cannot acknowledge that. I think you, and many of those on the so called liberal or left immediately assume that someone from my perspective is automatically on the right, and all the perceived associations that might imply. I haven't seen anything ugly here, other than people's desire to close down free thought and debate via a variety of methods.
    Vidar


Yay, lets take shots at people and turn this into a political argument. Let's never talk about Thor anymore. Just umbrella statements ranting on feminists and whatever else. That sounds fun to me.

You can insult me all you want. Which is ironic. At the end you go on a holier than though parade. If it is a free thought and speech issue than why are you trying to stop mine by insulting me so casually?

I feel those telling us to not be offended are also offended by a whole heck of alot.

But please go on, insult away.






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