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Unstable Molecule

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Subj: Re: Is Avengers #200 As Bad And Disgusting As People Say That It Is? Would The Alternative Have Been Better?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 01:54:51 pm EST (Viewed 326 times)
Reply Subj: Is Avengers #200 As Bad And Disgusting As People Say That It Is? Would The Alternative Have Been Better?
Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 at 04:17:27 pm EST (Viewed 426 times)

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I have no desire to read this because it's usually listed as one of the worst Avengers issues (I remember Bendis trashing this in Wizard when he was starting his Avengers run.) and stories, but I was wondering if it's not as awful as it's reputation. I'm sure that it got retconned at this point anyway, but from what I understand, Ms. Marvel (Carol.)got raped and impregnated by: Immortus? Marcus, the Son of Kang? I don't understand either of those two characters, but I do remember one of them appearing in the (Somewhat underrated.) Kang War by Kurt Busiek. I remember the issue where he had Carol and Marcus talk and interact, but I couldn't get through the issue (I found it to be boring, and I didn't really care enough about the history between them.). Anyhow, is this true or was it blown out of proportion (Kind of like how people say that Hank was a big wife abuser when he only hit her once in a psychotic rage.)? I also hear that the Avengers just let it happen and watched as the bad guy took off. This kind of reminds me of the end of Disassembled when Cap just hands Wanda over to Magneto and he just takes off.

As to the original plan, I read that it was supposed to be the Supreme Intelligence who did this to her and or impregnated her. Would this have been better or have made any sense? Did she ever have the baby? This doesn't sound like other writers followed up on this. Did the Avengers really just abandon her like that? If it was followed up on, wasn't she mad?

Thanks for the help.

Avengers 200 is ridiculously tone-deaf. A woman is abducted, resists a seduction, has machines mind-control her into submitting to rape by the man who kidnapped her (an old enemy of the Avengers, by the way), gets pregnant from that rape, gives birth to her own rapist, is disgusted by her pregnancy and her child, watches that child grow into her adult rapist, and then gets a happily-ever-after ending with said rapist - and all her friends waved goodbye and felt great about it! If the writers really didn't see this as rape - what was wrong with them?

If there were two issues where the Avengers went completely off the rails, it was Avengers 200 (Carol's ordeal) and Avengers 213 (the infamous Hank Pym issue). Neither issue should have seen print.






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