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Subj: Re: Hmm...
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 07:10:34 pm EST (Viewed 156 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Avengers #682: Game of Craps?
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 at 05:12:28 pm EST (Viewed 165 times)




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    This is the first issue in a while that has actually felt to me like something meaningful was happening. I'm not even sure why I feel that way. Partly it's because I love Red Wolf. Especially his modern incarnation. I can't believe I'm saying this, but the 21st century version of Red Wolf is b... b... better than the Bronze Age version. (Almost choked on that. Sorry.)

Not to knock Red Wolf (Earth-51920) but that is totally because Red Wolf(Will Tallrees) got essentially no Bullpen respect and absolutely minimal facetime. Wyatt Wingfoot get better shared universe respect.


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    So here's the thing: Red Wolf, in the flashbacks, actually resolved his situation. We had a beginning, middle, and end. This was sorely needed in the midst of this endless decompression we've been encased in like flies in amber.

    Red Wolf, especially as narrator, comes across the way Shang-Chi did in the Bronze Age. You remember, right? Back when Shang-Chi was actually cool? I love the philosophical narrator motif.

There was that. It's still feels just incredible that he was the character to score that (pun unintended).


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      "BIG FIGHT" scene seems generic copy of last ish feels meaningless and what about the players that were on the verge of grabbing the Pyramoid? Did they simply revert to fight poses when 'calvary' arrived?



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    These big fight scenes are always snooze-fests. Even back in the Silver Age they were snooze-fests.

Well, it appears we agree that Jan had a good -if brief- showing here.


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      That panel of Clint shooting at Pyramoid/Mentacle is very confusing.



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      Well, first, I'll mention the enjoyment I got out of Clint tricking Metal Master with a smoke arrow.



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      As for Mentacle -
      1. Clint fires Arrow.
      2. Mentacle boasts about being one step ahead of Clint because of mind-reading capability plus cool tentacles.
      3. Janet Van Dyne swoops in from behind Mentacle while he's distracted and smashes his helmet and then zaps him.

Hmm... Was the Pyramoid bending/breaking to Menty's will? Did Clint fire thru the TK field close to Menty or the object for the area smoke blast? Why wasn't Menty drawn in the Big Fight panel before in the arrow trajectory direction? It also felt like a do over interpretation of the cliffhanger scenario last ish with the 3 arrow shots at the BB with blast arrows - did Clint run out of blast arrows to use on Menty?


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      'Who is Voyager' subplot passed on. Sigh.



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      What we've gotten so far is a lot of hooey, I'm sure, so I'm not really interested in more of that. To quote the Butler, "It's all a lie!"

Well, if it does turn out as a temporary canon rewrite *fingers crossed* or if her past is real it is coming across a intrinsically topical to for analysis/debate much more than Stevil's false Kobik-past that was just annoying to endlessly read since start of Secret Empire. And she seems integral to NO SURRENDER and hopefully won't turn out to be an annoying Chekov's Gun like Barf was to end Secret Empire.


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      Rogue's newly absorbed powers and Corvus' status TOO VAGUE.



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      Corvus? To quote the Chief Medical Officer, "He's dead, Jim." Although - to be honest - I'm unclear as to how exactly Rogue killed him. So maybe he's a vegetable. Maybe Rogue absorbed him so mercilessly that she left him a vegetable.

Hmm... but why would she lugging a 'dead' body around at this time?


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    The Herc/Lightning/Jane-Thor bit was better, I think. Herc is finally acting like Herc! "I like that boy! He fires forth as if thrown by Zeus himself!" Perfect dialogue. But then he adds, inexplicably, "Let's see Mjolnir do THAT, eh Thunder God?" I have no idea what he means. Mjolnir can probably fly at the speed of lightning. I don't know that for a fact but I would guess it to be true. Jane-Thor merely replies, "Hmmph--"


Agreed, Herc did read okay as Hercules -the Olympian but is that how Hercules -the Avenger should sound? As for mocking Mjolnir, imo he was comparing Miguel's lightning speed.




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      The sentiment is obvious that they don't regret the eye for an eye payback but to paint it as a best case Avenger Scenario without any analysis just feels... wrong in this 'game'.



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    But Rogue! She interests me. She seems to be ruled by her passions and entirely at peace with that. The path she's walking is partly in Sith territory. As for the Corvus influence - Note that we never see her put down the glaive.

So noted.


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    Yes. Constantly the overriding concern is how to get from point A to point B. Could this be some sort of symbolism?

Hmm...


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      HFalcon scoring a hit on Mentacle WOULD HAVE been okay if it wasn't just a copy move of Wasp... let's see how long ago was that...



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      No, that isn't Mentacle. It's Metal Master.

My bad. Thanks for correction. Still, a copycat maneuver to nitpick in an issue of copying.


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    The Avengers don't win the fight. What the artist was supposed to be depicting in the faces of the bad guys was unwavering determination to reach the Pyramoid. This is what Red Wolf sees. The bad guys aren't afraid to claim the prize. They know they won't die. Red Wolf reads this in their body language and facial expressions.

You're right. The panel flow threw me while typing.


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      Hawkeye/Red Wolf dynamic is okay.


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      Loved it. Had no prior experience with it. Hope they stay brothers in spirit forever. It suits both of them very well.

Just wait 'til you read the 'love' (Nighthawk né Nightshade) has for a dynamic with Red Wolf in Occupy Avengers. ;\)


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    No idea why these two aren't frozen. I think Gamesmaster decided arbitrarily to unfreeze them. He's a sneaky bugger.

...making up crappy game rules as he goes along.


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    The characters with no powers (or hardly any powers) almost always get some cool victory. It's a comic book tradition.

Fair point. Sometimes this story device reads good, sometimes not. It's just that this is already Part #8 of this Avenger Event and not one has really stood out yet (except maybe Rogue). This reminds me of being annoyed at the Iron Age Event that basically had Iron Man did not stand out to save the day by the end.


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      Grandmaster and Challenger get a page to update the readers on the game but generally just confuse the issue more.



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      Here's the part that made me happy. It finally dawned on me that the game ends when the fifth pyramoid is claimed! We're almost done with this portion of the weekly series! Hurray!

Hmm... so the best either can hope for is to TIE the Obstacles? Does that count as a win? Does Red Wolf even count as an Avenger?


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    AND FINALLY, the rage of the Epilogue feels palpable but not for the intended reason. It is because it's EXACT COPY of every epilogue of NO SURRENDER so far! Emergence of The Hulk. THIS TIME they use up THREE pages to do it! Phooey to that!! Their 'excuse' might be they reveal it to be Dr.Rober Bruce Banner as The Hulk - whatever weight that 'reveal' has on readers. Not much IMO.



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    Don't even get me started.



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    Writers: You'll never guess who's coming.



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    Readers: It's the Hulk!



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    Writers: Never ever guess.



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    Readers: Hulk!



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    Writers: Couldn't possibly guess.



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    Readers: Hulkity-Hulk-Hulk!
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