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Unstable Molecule

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Subj: Re: Does Anyone Know What John Byrne Had Planned For The West Coast Avengers Before He Left? Did Thomas Do The Story? It Sounded Interesting.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 at 03:20:28 pm EST (Viewed 230 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Does Anyone Know What John Byrne Had Planned For The West Coast Avengers Before He Left? Did Thomas Do The Story? It Sounded Interesting.
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 at 10:21:16 pm EST (Viewed 246 times)

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      I enjoyed Byrne's run way more than Englehart's. I mean sure he reunited Jan with her abuser. Had Vision dismantled, discarded Englehart's orgin of him and turned him into a milk colored Data knockoff. Destroyed Wanda's sanity and had her giving out evil handjobs like they were hotcakes. Erased her and Vision's children. Tigra went feral (never did understand what the in story explanation for that was). USAgent was forced on the team.

    Yeah, Byrne was one the best creative minds Marvel ever had. And his run on West Coast Avengers is the only one I own in its entirety. I have the original limited series(which was pretty good), and the annual with Pietro leading the Zodiac, and a half dozen issues at the very end of the run. But, that's all that was worth buying. The writing wasn't the worst part, the truly horrible artwork of Al Milgrom was a big reason. And the green costume he gave Wonderman, ugh. A terrible design. Byrne was a breath of fresh air. It would be interesting to know if he was dumped from the title because sales were poor, or because some executives found him too difficult to work with.

Oh yeah that Al Milgrom art was the worst!

Got to agree with that. I actually thought there was some interesting stuff in Englehart's run, and he did great work with Hawkeye. Mockingbird became a viable character under him (building on work begun in the Hawkeye limited series and the WCA limited series). Hank Pym's suicidal ideation and rehabilitation was thoughtfully and respectfully accomplished. But the artwork was so amateur and ugly it did become a slog to read.

I think we all agree that one of Byrne's strengths is visual storytelling, so under him the book LOOKED great - even if I hated the dismissal of Hawkeye, the deconstruction of the Vision and the ruination of the Scarlet Witch. Also little discussed, but the Wasp, coming off her critically acclaimed time as leader of the NYC branch, was immediately portrayed by Byrne as a flighty airhead, which regressed Jan as a character too. Quicksilver just fell back in with Dark Wanda and Magneto, which was a regression for him.

Byrne just did a lot of damage in general. At least he didn't portray Hank as a wife-beater.

And a lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, with great power there must also come -- great responsibility!
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