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Vidar

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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: Re: Just saw Panther (Spoilers)
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 at 09:46:01 am EST (Viewed 682 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Just saw Panther (maybe minor Spoilers)
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 at 08:56:25 am EST (Viewed 755 times)



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      It’s a good film, entertaining and well made. The heart of Stan and jack (and Romona jr) beats strong throughout and the performances are strong. I can see why many reviews didn’t separate the film from its cultural significance, as the narrative is perhaps salient for many. It’s visually resplendent with nods to Thor (Kirby) in design, and the score works almost poetically in synergy with the physicality of the scenes. However, much of motion work was under par, reminding me of Blade where they were pioneering digital character motion before Spidey. There are nods to Bond. Panther’s mythos was explained and celebrated in such depth that it made Thor’s MCU shortcomings in this respect all the more apparent.

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        I wasn’t previously aware of the sci-fi concept called Afro-futurism, but Wakanda does rather stretch suspension of disbelief, with much of the technology more extraterrestrial in its level of accomplishment. As such, the movie does feel very isolated from the rest of the MCU especially at this late stage between Civil War and Infinity. But these are minor quibbles. It played to a packed house in a provincial theatre which bodes well for the movie’s success, but there was a noticeably higher than average house full of idiots, with people laughing at Klaw’s casual murdering. One obese family in front brought their own five course meal with them, and only stopped eating when their 6 year old got very upset. An odd crowd didn’t spoil the movie entirely.
        Vidar



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    I've always liked Wakanda. An African nation that has the smartest scientists in the world but the nation is also arrogant, xenophobic and while not actually racist they are elitists that look down on anyone who isn't Wakandan. Instead of painting them as a good country or a bad country they're portrayed as a deeply flawed country with some of the brightest minds on earth.


Agreed. Unfortunately, this aspect didn't work for me in the film. As good as the actor's performance was, it was all about Shuri. Everything else appeared deserted and automated. I wondered if there was something Huxilian about this; that it was an egalitarian society with all work (apart from farming and agriculture) automated. Unfortunately, there a constant dissonance throughout much of the movie that doesn't stand up to too much scrutiny. But hey, it's superhero flick.


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    Wakanda is one of Lee and Kirby's more interesting ideas IMO. It's a country that can compete economically with the USA and European countries and has the money and technology to encourage other countries to negotiate with them. Sadly in the real world I think most of Africa is still paying for mistakes the European countries made when partitioning Africa and plundering its resources.


It was a vision of faith and hope, incredibly progressive and wonderfully idealistic. Not sure I agree with your second, vastly simplistic summation of the history of an entire continent. I'm conscious of not wanting to go off topic, but Killmonger's approach was childishly misguided and out of character. Instead of wanting to declare (selective) war on the world, you hoped he might want to go about improving the lot for most of the populace of the neighbouring countries first! There was more than enough ideological gulf between him and T'chala for this , the clear course, to exist. But I get that there's a message that has to be delivered and that that's done best in the typically binary fashion of ideological opposites. Ditto for attack on the 'British Museum's' artefact. Whilst undeniably true, with the middle East and African ransacking, desecration and removal of evidence of civilisations I'd of hope for, at the very least a comment like "but thanks for taking good care of it, you people are good at that". My forbears where trammelled by Roman invaders, but I do love holidaying in Italy and we still look after their stuff \:\)
Vidar
PS This guy made me laugh but does point out some of the inconsistencies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc0pK98d65Q




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