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little kon-el

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USAgentfan

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Subj: I don't mean it disrespectfully...
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 at 04:26:29 pm EDT (Viewed 155 times)
Reply Subj: Re: It is just as realistic as Captain America walking in on Nixon committing suicide...
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 at 12:53:47 pm EDT (Viewed 163 times)



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    John Walker was a whole different kettle of fish.



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    Gruenwald invented him to explore the idea that there are different types of patriotism, and that being 'patriotic' is not necessarily automatically a good thing.



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    Whilst Walker was also designed to be an opposite to rogers, he was never a *villain* as such, was in fact as much a victim as anyone, had wholly positive intentions despite some mistakes along the way, and ended the story very much a hero.



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    Whilst I dont think theres any doubt that Walker was supposed to represent a conservative standpoint, he was still an admirable character. He disliked vice, he had no respect for bigotry, he supported traditional values without being pious, preachy or judgemental. Spencer meanwhile portrays conservatives as Americas great evil, and the souce of all its problems.



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    He's really nothing like Hydra Cap, and neither is this story anything like Gruenwalds - or worthy of being mentioned in the same breath.



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    Grus work was a clever, profound, subtle, and sensitive piece of political commontary, where as Nick spencer has deliberately hit every big red button he can for maximum drama and histeria


Because he was writing John Walker at the height of Reagan and it can be seen as a critique of that type of Patriotism. But, like Suicide Squad, it really does read as how an Oliver North patriot is formed. And yeah, it is better, more subtle and more optimistic than Nick Spencer's take. But I personally thought that John Walker' s turn was also over the top and nuts. I really liked Walker's struggle up until the part where he kills his ex partners and does a heel turn.