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Subj: Re: Cap 695 Revisted and trade recommendations
Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 at 05:30:11 am EST (Viewed 400 times)
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OK, not a revisit, but the thread is closed due to age.

Decided to pick this up and the only real complaint, which I have for all Marvel books, is the $4 price tag. Still think this is way too much for a comic book but that's another discussion all together.

Although I wasn't too excited about the art style from the previews, I have to admit it grew on me as I read the issue. It's NOT the Marvel Way for sure, very retro/Indy with a lack of detail and doesn't really take advantage of the current coloring and other printing advances we've had for.. well, longer than Cap's supposedly been back in this issue. But it also has a wholesome appeal to it that is reflective of the light Waid is portraying Cap in.

Overall I really enjoyed it. Not being tied to the Secret Empire Nazi-Cap stuff I didn't mind the quick refrence to that overdrawn story line (which I was hoping was going to be a 2 or 3 issue prop, not the thing it was that made me quickly drop that book)

Not sure what's in store for Steve with the re-icing. But if the book stays this entertaining I'll just have to learn to put up with the inflated price tag.

On a side note: I want to read some good Cap stories, any trade recommendations? Seems like every time I tried to get into Cap it wasn't something I wanted to read. He was shot dead while our country was at war.. not appealing. Then he was Bucky or Sam, or a geriatric who could barely walk (then a geriatric who kicked everyone's butt). Civil War I despised. What about some classic Cap, or Cap and Falcon trades? Seems I always see the Cap I like most in older (pre-Bendis) Avengers books, or in the MCU where Chris Evans is everything the Cap in the comics hasn't been until this issue for far too long.

I have the complete opposite view of Cap. With a few exceptions, I am not a big fan of him in the Avengers book.

It isn't that I dislike him in the books, I just feel that by large he doesn't get the interesting character points in that book. A notable exception is from Roger Stern's run, after the mansion is destroyed.

I find this to be common place in team books where the book isn't teh only place the characters appear regularly.

I always prefer the runs that explore who Steve is as a man, not an icon. Lee and Colan's run, Englehart, Gerber, Dematteis, Brubaker, and many parts of Gruenwald's are among my favorites.

That brings me to my thoughts on Captain America #595...

I thought it was very paint by numbers. Which is fine. Normally it would irritate me, but I get why it was what it was.

It had been a year and a half of beating the Hell out of who Steve Rogers was. He was a villain A brutal villain . A mass murderer. He had his former sidekick shot in front of a firing squad.

It needed to be put behind us. This had to be a re-establishing of who Steve Rogers is.

Now, all this doesn't mean I don't think seeing Steve's thoughts, either in caption or balloons, wouldn't have made it a richer story.

I also think a lot of writers could have made evil Steve work well, with him mind controlled, but still at odds. Actually wanting a benevolent HYDRA. But it doesn't matter because all of these things are past now.

As for future Steve? I think the whole point is to take him offf the chessboard in a more respectful way.

I honestly believe that across the next 2 Avnegers movies, Cap, Iron Man, and possibly Thor, and Hulk will die.

The new characters were not done for any diversity reason. It was to prepare the next phase of movies.

My guess is that #700 will in some way lead to not-Steve as Cap. Probably Falcon, maybe Bucky. Either are fine (as fine as I can be without it being Steve) as long as the writer is less hamfisted than Nick Spencer.

I think Waid is here to either retire Cap, kill him in a respectful way, or just put him soomeplace else for a while. After all, how long does retirement or death last in comicsanyway.


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