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motifian

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zvelf

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Subj: Re: How powerful do you rate the Silver Surfer?
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 at 01:08:50 am EDT (Viewed 67 times)
Reply Subj: Re: How powerful do you rate the Silver Surfer?
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 at 04:29:08 pm EDT (Viewed 72 times)



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        Okay, so Surfer can just generate Kryptonite to beat Superman. It's an even easier win then.

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        He knew about Gladiator's weakness. He doesn't knows that about Superman.



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    Are you kidding me? Surfer would sense the weakness right away, the same way he senses it in Gladiator who is a Silver Age Superboy clone.

He didn't sense anything. He already knew that Gladiator has a weakness to a certain radiation.



Yet, he didn't use it against Krosakis who was powered by Gladiator. Neither did he use any weakness against Dr Spectrum who is specifically vulnerable to ultraviolet rays and has been beaten that way several times.

Its highly unlikely that Surfer would try to use weakness exploitation when he has never done that.


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        I haven't read those issues, but in a direct head-to-head matchup with Quasar, Surfer first claims to be more powerful than the Quantum-Bands and then Quasar can't even energy drain the Surfer to a degree sufficient for the Surfer to even notice.

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        Being more powerful doesn't means you're more skilled.



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    I didn't say anything about skill, just that Surfer is a higher level energy manipulator; whether that is by skill or power is irrelevant. In a direct comparison, Quasar can't remotely drain the Surfer. That contradicts your claims about the Ego showing. If Surfer already houses more power than Quasar can drain, then how can Quasar contain more power than Surfer?

Quasar was draining Surfer, he was just too powerful to fully drain.

Not that Surfer claiming to be more powerful than Quantum bands is a sure fact. Here, Dampyre drains Surfer fully and defeats him. Quasar straight up overloads him.

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Quasar was shown to be more powerful and more skilled than Surfer despite whatever claims Surfer made.


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          Parasite, Kyle and Atom all have feats putting them ahead of Surfer in energy manipulation.

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          Only when they are in a powered-up incarnation; otherwise, nope. Can a normal Parasite, Kyle, and Captain Atom manipulate energy to disable all machinery on Earth?

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          That's energy manipulation? This is energy manipulation. Kyle contains an entropic quantum singularity.



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    Kyle "contains" a singularity. That's measly compared to making one as Surfer from his own energies as he does here:

Kyle containing an entropic singularity which was going to destroy entire solar system is much more impressive than Surfer creating one. A random darkstar and a GL clashing created a black hole as well.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/30863878/Darkstars_1992_24_-_21.jpg.html

We are talking about energy manipulation and GL ring is unparalleled in doing so. Hence why even Thanos said that only Kyle's ring can channel the power of Oa enough to destroy both DC and marvel universes.





And how Kyle defeated both Thanos and Parallax powered up by power cosmic by draining them both. A far superior feat than any Surfer has ever shown.


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Please, Oblivion who was only a construct of Kyle's ring could create black holes easily.





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      Further, Surfer has failed to stabilize a dying red sun on his own.

    Wow, you do realize that Surfer's attempt is interrupted when he's attacked from behind! Your own scan puts a big asterisk on your own claim.

Even with extra power he gained from those "interruptions" he could only stabilize the sun for 1000 years. Blue Lanterns reduced the age of stars to billions of years less.

And his attempts were having minimal effects even using his full power. There was no chance he could stabilize the sun on his own.


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      While even blue lanterns have stabilized dying red suns easily.

    Parasite, Kyle and Captain Atom are not Blue Lanterns! If I'm arguing Spider-Man is more powerful than Captain America, you saying Hulk is more powerful than Spider-Man is completely meaningless to the debate.

Yes, blue lanterns are less powerful than Green Lanterns.

Hulk isn't less powerful than Spider-man.


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    And even a total noob Tom Kalmaku recreated all of Oa and its advanced tech from scratch by a GL ring.



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    I haven't read this story so I don't have the full context, but on the face of it, it screams plot-induced stupidity. I almost never resort to claims of bad writing to dismiss a feat, but it's nonsensical that a GL ring can recreate Oa and its power battery, which itself should be far more powerful than a GL ring. If a GL ring can do that, Hal should have been able to recreate a permanent Coast City after it was destroyed. A city is nothing compared to a planet. And after Oa got destroyed again by Relic, why didn't any single Lantern just recreate it? So basically, you want to represent a one-off total outlier feat as normal.


The power battery was created but there was no power in it due to Ion having the power.

Its not the first time either a GL has recreated a planet or a world. Kyle created an entire world out of nothingness.


Kyle recreated a planet out of debris to imprison Traitor.


Heck, Hal's ring was used to shrink down entire earth to microscopic level.

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I won't even post the time a GL ring created an entire alternate reality.



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