Subj: Re: How powerful do you rate the Silver Surfer?Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 at 08:10:03 am EDT (Viewed 106 times)
Reply Subj: Re: How powerful do you rate the Silver Surfer?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 at 01:20:00 am EDT (Viewed 134 times)
Quote:Surfer's been shown doing stuff like that a hundred times over the years. That's his power!
Quote:Can you show us a single time he sensed someone's weaknesses out of these hundreds of times?
Quote:First, I said he's been doing stuff LIKE that a hundred times over the years, that is sensing stuff. But here is one scan showing Surfer sensing weaknesses he can exploit of both Vision (electrical frequencies) and Wonder Man (ionic energy).
That's not sensing weakness, that's sensing the energy patterns of the characters.
C'mon you can show us at least one instance of him actually doing it, right?
It's not really any explanation as it is nowhere even implied.
Dude, what is the better explanation, Surfer learned it from the Skrull's or he used his powers to sense it?
That's what the comic shows. Can you show me otherwise where he sensed it?
"He just knew it" is a really poor explanation.
Quote:There is no indication that Surfer tried to sense his weakness. He just knew it already.
Quote:The explanation for this is that Surfer knew of strontian weakness due to his travels across the cosmos.
First you said there was no explanation at all and then you just offered one that you clearly made up on your own. The page offers no explanation because every reader who knows the Surfer understands that he has super senses when it come to energy readings even across intergalactic distances.
Energy reading, yes. Weakness sensing? No. He isn't genis-vell or a cosmic Karnak. That's not how his powers work.
Energy sensing characters don't find weaknesses in characters.
There is no such depiction for Surfer sensing weaknesses. If there is, do let me know.
He senses energy patterns, not weakness.
Yes, that's exactly what happened. PAD and Marz said so later.
Are you serious? You think DC and Marvel writers and editors flipped coins to determine the winners in the comic? You're losing all credibility here.
It was randomly decided who wins and who loses. Hence Aquaman defeating Namor who was superior to him in every way.
Nice try misleading again, but this wasn't a fan voted fight like Wonder Woman and Lobo. It was DC and Marvel's decision.
Quote:Yes, and Storm defeated Wonder Woman and Wolverine defeated Lobo. Fan voted fights were ridiculous like that.
Quote:You're just trying to gaslight the board now. Nowhere in that link does Peter David say anything about the fights being determined randomly!
Yes, he did. He even says that he wanted Aquaman to win despite Namor being superior because he wanted to show Aquaman was a badass.
In fact, he states he was excited to be able to create "official" version of the fights he wrote and he didn't want to write the fan voted fights. He states, "And besides, the 'big, big' match-ups were not the duos from my childhood. Storm, Wolverine, Lobo, and Superboy (as such) weren’t around when I was a kid, nor in my youth was I a fan of Captain America or the Hulk (ironic, all things considered.) But Namor vs. Aquaman, Quicksilver vs. Flash… as noted above, those were the match-ups I’d always wanted to see, even as a kid. So the temptation to do the 'official' versions was irresistible."
I was trying to show this.
The defeat of Sub-Mariner at the hands (well, hand) of Aquaman caused some fan controversy.
Mea culpa . When working out the undercards, I issued a plea: I said, “Look, guys, I’m busy trying to earn Aquaman respect in his ongoing series, and he’s got an ongoing title while Namor doesn’t right now. I need to have Aquaman win this bout.” Gruenwald and Carlin said, “How the hell can Aquaman reasonably defeat Namor, who’s clearly so much stronger?” “I don’t know… maybe he can drop a whale on him or something,” I said. Which is what wound up happening.
But of course the biggest reason linking to Peter David on the Surfer fight makes no sense is because David didn't write the Green Lantern/Silver Surfer fight. Ron Marz did!
For every win there was one defeat for another character from the same company. In this case as Aquaman defeated Namor, Surfer defeated GL.
Marz already showed GL as superior to Surfer in GL/SS.
Quote:He didn't try to though. If he had done so, it would be over for Surfer.
So you think Green Lantern lost because he didn't try? Wow. Talk about making things up.
The same writer had Kyle defeat Parallax with Surfer's power cosmic and Thanos with Oan power and normal Thanos beat Surfer to death under Marz.
Suffice to say if Kyle had tried to drain Surfer, it would be over for him. Unless you think Surfer can defeat an amped Thanos when he has repeatedly failed to defeat a normal Thanos.
No one is saying that Surfer flips on his "weakness sensor" switch - that's ridiculous.
But to recognize, sense and understand energy patterns, as you put it, allows him to determine the source or nature of one's power. From there, he is able to leverage that understanding.