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Subj: Re: There will always be debate.
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 at 08:42:26 pm EST (Viewed 64 times)
Reply Subj: There will always be debate.
Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 at 10:57:56 am EST (Viewed 99 times)



        Are these the categories mainly used by the board for ‘power levels’?




          Here is how I'd place some characters (all are in their classic, normal modes):


            Street: Conan the Barbarian, Lady Shiva, Punisher, Joker, Misty Knight, BATMAN
            Meta: Deathstroke, Hawkman, Vixen, Captain America, Elongated Man
            Enhanced meta: She-Hulk, Starfire, Spider-Man, Venom, Drax the Destroyer (current)
            Prime meta: Dr. Doom, most Green Lanterns, Super-Skrull, Emma Frost, Red Tornado, Captain Marvel, RONAN THE ACCUSER
            Elite meta (herald): Superman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Power Girl, Sersi, Exodus (and of course all of Galactus' heralds), GREEN LANTERN: SODAM YAT
            Teambuster: SUPERBOY PRIME, Thanos, Darkseid, Mordru, Amazo, Hela
            Sky-father: CHTON, Odin, Yuga Khan, Trigon, The Stranger
            Abstract: Living Tribunal, Phoenix Force, Michael Demiurgos, Eternity, The Source

    Zvelf has been quite diplomatic here. Darkseid can be seen anywhere between herald and skyfather depending on where he is seen. At one moment he is mind controlling billions of daxamites, other times, it's not clear if he is scared of Martian Manhunter. The argument is that a lot of times, he appears he is an avatar of himself. I've put in caps, who I think are the highest end characters in their categories.

    I'm glad to see Zvelf has put Power Girl as herald here. I would disagree with the GL's being shown as PM, but then someone like G'nort is either PM or EM, Kilowog, John etc are herald IMHO.

    You also get the troublesome one's, Daredevil has powers but he is a street, Punisher, Elektra, Kingpin, Batman are decent fights for him. Is Angel a meta? He can fly, but no one would take him in a tournament and someone like Hawkeye could take him. I think Cyclops is an EM, most people think he's a meta.

    I also feel we need 2 more categories, one above skyfather to show Elder Gods (Chton, Gaea, Oshtur, Set) and the Celestials (they are classically higher than Galactus and at the least, don't have his weaknesses). However, they will be many people here who disagree.

    The other category would be in abstract. There is a clear pecking order. Death and Eternity are over Lord Chaos, but should be in one category, possibly the Endless. Then there are the multiversal powers, such as Living Tribunal, Lucifer Morningstar and possibly and argument for the Infinity Gauntlet (although, strictly speaking it is not multiversal). Then you have the supreme powers, the Presence, the Source.

With in each of these categories there are hierarchies and overlapping into other categories. Some characters can be considered the top in their category but a low level in a higher rank. Galactus for example is a cosmic being among the top in his grouping but he can also be considered a low level abstract. When dealing with mystical beings the grouping can be a bit murky. Some mystics are on a cosmic level and pushing abstract while others are considered low level skyfathers. I've read comics for a very very long time and nothing is really set in stone. Depending on the writer characters bleed into all categories to fit the story. These groupings are considered a guideline instead of a rigid fact that can't be changed.  

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