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Would be Watcher

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zvelf

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Subj: Re: My explanation
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 03:49:34 pm EST (Viewed 107 times)
Reply Subj: Re: My explanation
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 at 02:45:00 pm EST (Viewed 194 times)

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    So, the last several years have had MOS, B vs. S, Wonder Woman, and JLA...Does Suicide Squad count... for DC


Yes. The DC Expanded Universe (DCEU) is basically every live-action DC movie after THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.


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    My question is, why do you think Marvel movies are doing better, do you like them better?


Not all the Marvel movies are that good, but the DCEU movies are just far worse on the whole, and the best Marvel movies are far better. To give you perspective of where I’m coming from, here are my rankings of all MCU and DCEU movies:

1. The Avengers
2. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
3. Iron Man
4. Thor
5. Avengers: Age of Ultron
6. Thor: Ragnarok
7. Thor: The Dark World
8. Guardians of the Galaxy
9. Captain America: Civil War
10. Ant-Man
11. Spider-Man: Homecoming
12. Wonder Woman
13. Doctor Strange
14. Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2
15. Captain America: The First Avenger
16. Iron Man Three
17. Iron Man 2
18. Justice League
19. Man of Steel
20. Suicide Squad
21. The Incredible Hulk
22. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

I'd say 1-3 are great, 4-6 are very good, 7-13 are fine entertainments, 14-16 are mediocre, 17-19 are bad, 20-22 are godawful.

The explanation is that Zach Snyder is a horrible writer, director, and producer and he drove the DCEU into the ground. Notably, the most praised DCEU film is Wonder Woman, which Snyder did not work on. If you watch Snyder’s pre-DCEU films, it’s clear that the only thing he’s good at are flashy visuals. He can’t write worth a damn, his plots are juvenile, his characters are cardboard caricatures, and he embraces that 1990s comics aesthetic that somehow thinks grim and gritty is automatically cool. That aesthetic is particularly wrong for Superman.

Kevin Feige had a vision for the MCU and he executed it well, certainly not close to perfect, but well. The MCU movies were plotted out well in advance and patiently revealed and built up each character so that when they finally came together, it meant something. The MCU gave each major character their own movie, and Marvel could give each new character an extra push by tossing another character into their movie. Black Widow stars in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Falcon gets a cameo in Ant-Man, Iron Man plays a significant role in Spider-Man: Homecoming, Hulk guest stars in Thor: Ragnarok, and so on.

The DCEU tried to rush everything into BvS and Justice League and did it extremely clumsily. You were never going to do justice to the um, Justice League by trying to develop Aquaman, Cyborg, and Flash all in one movie that also had to give significant screen time to Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman, not to mention totally forgettable villain, Steppenwolf. And given all of DC’s many iconic villains, why pick a C-lister like Steppenwolf who nobody knows or cares about? Justice League is your Avengers. It’s time to lead big. Also, by making Superman look superior to the rest of the Justice League, in their debut movie nonetheless, diminishes the rest of them. The animated Justice League/Justice League Unlimited is infinitely better than the movie.


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    How about the Arrowverse, and Agents of Shield...Preferences, thoughts, etc?


I have to say I don't care for any of either DC or Marvel tv series except for Daredevil and Jessica Jones. I have not checked out Runaways.



Your list is soooooooooooo different from mine. It is indeed a subjective thing.



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