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Subj: Re: Im talking about war refugees not economic migrant workers
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 at 04:25:27 pm EDT (Viewed 202 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Im talking about war refugees not economic migrant workers
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 at 01:37:37 pm EDT (Viewed 205 times)



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          If your country is at war, you don't leave your wife and children behind and escape to a safer country to find a job. You get your family out if they are in danger. You don't leave them behind. Your answer only applies to economic immigration, not political. Big difference.

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          And yet this is what these men are doing. Women are 2nd class citizens and not as important. Also a factor that being physically stronger the men are likely more capable of making it.

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            But yes this is a problem with just accepting any refugees that show up...it's usually young men and ones with very strong ideologies about how things should be and not always adapting to their new location...let alone leaving the women and children behind.

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        Which is another reason to accept women and kids who can adapt better.

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          The Polish president got critisied when he suggested that male Syrian refugees be trained militarily in Europe to go back to Syria to take back their country. If they are young and able of course.



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    It goes further than just criticism. Poland and Hungary are being threatened by the EU for not taking in Syrian migrants. When countries joined the EU, their understanding of free movement of people within the EU did not include what Angela Merkel and others have made of it.



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    There is no doubt that not every one of these migrants is a terrorist, or that not every one will cause harm to the people of their host country. And anyone who has a heart, their heart must break for the tragedy we are witnessing today. But (you knew that was coming), the solution to the problems in that region is not the mass immigration of millions of people into Europe. We've seen the problems in Sweden. There is not the effort of integration that is required to make the policy successful. The stories of attacks all across Europe are far too frequent. Too frequent of course, except in Poland.



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    By refusing to take part in allowing the massive influx of refuges into Poland, Polish politicians have saved the lives of their citizens. This sounds very cold, I know. But leaving feelings behind for a minute, examining only facts....why is it that Poland does not have the terrorist attacks we see in England, France, Belgium, and Sweden? Why is it that Tokyo, with far greater population does not have these attacks? There is only one answer....they have not taken in Syrian refuges.



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    The choice is clear. A country can choose to keep it's own people safe, and allow others far away to suffer and die. Or it can help people from far away lands, and different cultures (a very noble act), but while doing so accept their 8 year old daughters are at risk for being blown up by a shrapnel bomb if they go to a concert.



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    I don't see a third choice unfortunately. There are valid arguments to be made on both sides. The idea of allowing women and children is very compassionate. But ideas have to worked into policy, which is not always easy. For example, how will these women and children support themselves in a land where they don't know the language? This is a horrible, horrible tragedy without question. I don't think anyone can be certain of the solution. But I don't think spreading terrorism to more parts or Europe is part of that solution.


With respect, this is an awful black and white view that sort of throws out the whole concept of refugees outright. It is pretty much saying die in your own country. Do not bother us.

Many of these attacks are being carried out by citizens that have been radicalized. One could argue the governments should do more to monitor those individuals, particularly if they recently traveled to chaotic areas.

It just seems this assumption is too far one way. One side would be let them all in and the other would be let nobody in. Seems to me that the argument between safety and security are linked far to often. And the results are still not a guarantee when radicalization occurs at home.

I would also argue that there is a "simple" solution to this. The fighting in Syria and surrounding areas needs to be stopped. It is a mess and nobody has wanted to make any hard decisions, outside of Russia I guess, but the best way to stop the flow and return people would be give them a safe place to go back to and rebuild.

That is not easy at all, but to my thoughts at least, saying nobody in defeats the purpose of what little international law on the subject I have heard about.




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