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Subj: Re: A response to Jesusfan.
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 at 02:00:25 pm EDT (Viewed 218 times)
Reply Subj: Re: A response to Jesusfan.
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 at 09:59:23 am EDT (Viewed 196 times)
Quote:Paul used the phrase that had Jesus beiung in the very form of God, and deciding to come to Earth as a servant in Phillipians, and historians trace that held belief to with 2 years of the actual time of the death of jesus. So within a few years there was already theolgy agreed upon that Jesus was divine, and was the sent Messiah, who was raised from the dead. All of the Gospels also were written by either direct eyewitneeses to all of those facts recorded down, as well as interviewing those who were right there.
Again...Paul believed what Paul believed, but that doesn't automatically make it true. Or do you believe everything that Mohammed said too? How about Joseph Smith? Do you think he really saw an angel in upstate New York who instructed him to form the Mormon faith? What about L Ron Hubbard? Was he right to believe in Thetans?
I'm betting you don't believe in any of the latter, while happy to believe in Paul. But that's cherry picking. All of them are just argument from authority, and that's crummy evidence.
All four gospels were written anonymously. The names Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are nothing but guesswork by the early church. We don't know WHO wrote those books.
Who was right there? Who?
Who was standing in the room when Mary became pregnant by god? Did she have an audience? Did she sell tickets?
Who was present at Jesus' birth? Did the shepherds give interviews? How about the three kings? And most tellingly, why didn't those three kings proclaim this miracle far and wide in their own lands?
Why do ONLY two gospels even bother to report the birth? Wasn't it important enough for Mark and John? (Clue: It wasn't).
Who was present to record Jesus' words and deeds when he went into the desert and was tempted by Satan? Or when he prayed ALONE in the garden before his arrest? No one.
Did Pilate give an interview regarding Jesus' trial? Are there transcripts? Did the guards give interviews?
Many of these stories must, by definition, be stories. Conjecture.
And the stories vary from gospel to gospel. Jesus' birth is reported differently in both of the gospels that tell it, and differ in important ways that can't be reconciled. Jesus has four different death scenes. His words and attitude, and the events themselves are different in each gospel.
Quote:Again, all you have to do is to raise the dead, heal illnesses, and get raised back from certifierd death in order to disprove this!
Really? That's your criteria? Then you should believe that Appolonius of Tyana is the true son of god too. Because he was a real person who lived at the same time as Jesus who's followers claimed that he (Appolonius) cast out demons, healed the sick and, yes, he even raised the dead. Oh, and was the one true son of god.
And what do you mean 'certified' death? Can you produce Lazarus' death certificate? Of course you can't. So nothing about any story of Jesus raising someone from the dead can possibly be substantiated historically. Nothing can be 'certified' It's all just anecdotal evidence, which again, is not good evidence.