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Subj: Re: NFL and kneeling
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 at 12:06:46 pm EDT (Viewed 194 times)
Reply Subj: Re: NFL and kneeling
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 at 05:05:18 pm EDT (Viewed 223 times)
Quote:Kneeling is respecting the flag and perhaps more than standing. Pointing out the flaws in the system is inherently better, and frankly, kneeling is more reverent.
Quote:The system has flaws, and I agree that protesting those flaws peacefully is the better course. But NFL teams aren't kneeling out of respect (thought I don't think it's their intent to disrespect either).
Quote:The flag is a rag. No one died for it. They died for kneeling, and other forms of protest against the government.
Quote:I'm not really saying that kneeling is wrong, but there is some gray here that bears discussing. Yeah, people died for our right to kneel, but I think it's our duty to remember that they did die for that right. At least be mindful of honoring that sacrifice, which is in part what the flag is for.
One could also argue how many given wars were necessary or just perceived to be by political forces. There is loads of grey everywhere, but one can make pretty good cases for many wars that loads of people died for not much reason.
That is a jaded view and I am all for honoring vets, but it causes questions and opens up the box so to speak about things.
IMO, honoring by standing up for the national anthem is not the defining feature of honoring vets. If that is all somebody does in the first place, is it really that big of a deal? The same people, or some of them, have ignored numerous vet issues over the years.
Sadly, most in society do. They usually back it when things are brought to light but most people are hypocrites about this sort of thing. It is just an easy punching bag.
Quote:And above all, the orange guy in the white house needs to be silent. He just made it an issue to obfuscate things and spread hate.
Quote:Basically. Though I'd also argue that it's all a distraction. While everyone's busy boycotting teams for kneeling, no one's talking about Trump's failure to pass healthcare reform, or the growing Russian investigation.
It actually was brought up about the same time as some Russia information. Most of his base and GOP members do not care about much of it (there was no collusion and since they did not learn anything when they did it was ok).
It is a distraction, but at the same time Trump does this sort of thing all of the time to rally his supporters. The whole culture war nonsense that he likes to bring up over and over again.
His goal, and he is doing it, is to divide the US and condemn everybody not seeing the world as he does. The guy is a clown and taking the country down with him.
Remember, the guy saying this has passed the blame onto the military when needed, after a military failure early in his presidency he blammed the generals. Then in the election he made fun of POWs. The guy does not have a leg to stand on for patriotic acts.
Vets are nothing more than pawns to him.
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