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Subj: Re: In Regards To The Vegas Shooting, How Long Before It Will Get Politicized? Also, This Case Doesn't Make Sense.
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 at 01:27:50 pm EDT (Viewed 76 times)
Reply Subj: Re: In Regards To The Vegas Shooting, How Long Before It Will Get Politicized? Also, This Case Doesn't Make Sense.
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 at 01:22:04 pm EDT (Viewed 89 times)


To your first point. I agree, we cannot ban guns in the US. Partly because there are too many of them. Even if we all agreed on it, it is not possible.

I quibble a little bit with the notion that little can be done. One can argue for gun ownership but the idea of putting things in place to shift the curve. We do not have a good idea on what really works or not because research in the area is pretty poor and sparse.

People can do great harm, as you state, with all manner of things. Guns are a way of making it easier and something that can be done easily. The logic in most gun control is to make it harder at varying steps to set off a flag. Nothing would ever be 100% but at the same time not doing anything is sort of like throwing up our hands and saying so be it.

I do not understand, and you are not saying this in your post, why the whole criminals break laws so no new ones should be there caught on for this debate. It makes zero sense. By that logic nothing should be illegal and the courts etc. should not be.

The laws are in part about deterrance and another part about punishment.

At bare minimum in the US much needs to be done to fix the laws already on the books. Much has been done to weaken them in areas that are not logical. Would they have stopped the violence? Don't know but IMO we need to do better with what we have. If not outright ban the things that make semi auto weapons near full auto and some other things.

It still may not happen.


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            Every time some act of gun violence or some terrible mass shooting happens, we either get the media or some political pundits who start to call for stricter gun laws, or who are going to start bashing the NRA, etc. I'm wondering how long this will take. So far, luckily, it seems that people have been focusing on mourning the victims and praising the police. I hope that this remains the case. But I'm sure that it's just a matter of time before this starts.

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            While I think we need to be extremely cautious about gun sales I am not myself per se against them. As for terrorist acts...you build bombs with fertilizer and house hold chemicals. I don't think we can stop all such violence...until we do a mental change/shift culturally and educationally. The answer is not as simple as...don't let anyone buy any guns, prohibition does not work in this country.

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                Also, in regards to this case, how did he manage to keep 23 (Was it 23?) guns in a hotel room? Did he never leave the room? Doesn't housekeeping check everything? It sounds kind of strange that he would be able to stockpile in a hotel room, especially in Vegas? Do they not check your stuff? I'm sure that things will change after this.

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                He could have left a do not disturb sign out and walked it in piecemeal.

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                  I am more curious how owning that many guns on record I assume. How did that not set off any "watchdog" alarms.

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          They were bought from a few different shops and records are not allowed to be stored by the FBI. If you pass a background check they do not store your information anymore than that.

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            If you are clean than you could potentially buy however many guns you could without any red flags. Other than maybe the guy selling them to you questioning it. Just pick a few shops and mix in buying online. It is hypothetically incredibly easy.

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        Any word on them banning the device that allowed him to turn them automatic? I heard it was legal but was being reviewed even before this happened.



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    It has been brought up in the Senate by Diane Fiensten (probably spelled that wrong). Some Republicans are open to the idea and many experts on guns seem to be open to the idea.



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    It is still an uphill push that largely depends on what side the NRA comes down on. It is not a gun, but it is a strange area.



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    Seems like it should be a no brainer at this point. It should be the minimum done to ban items like that. The other thing, IMO, is reform of the background check system and federal laws to improve consistency.



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    What I mean is right now we have a patchwork of laws that make it really easy to get guns in some states but not others, it would be easier to have a minimum set. The FBI criminal database is not consistent either. Most information is put into it voluntarily. So, it has big gaps in it as it is.



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    Also, noting or flagging individuals that buy lots of guns in short periods of time should probably be considered but anything approaching a registry has been an auto death in legislatures before.



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    To your point, it is being proposed. If it goes anywhere or not is another issue. And it largely depends on if the gun lobby is onboard. They have killed most legislation. Even fairly mild stuff in recent years.







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