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Subj: Re: Trump's brand of populism has been co-opted by the Swamp
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 10:33:07 am EST (Viewed 90 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Trump's brand of populism has been co-opted by the Swamp
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 09:47:42 am EST (Viewed 96 times)


      I suppose, but I would say that it is the Tea Party too. They like to make a big stink that the two things are separate but they are not. They are just driven by different motivations to get to the same ends. I would not previously have cast Trump as a conservative but that is what he taps into.

    Agreed. Trump is an opportunist posing as a conservative. I think he wants what he wants, and it goes very little further in thought than that. The bulk of his ideology was borrowed from Bannon and Sessions -- the latter of whom was deemed too racist in the 1980s to serve on the courts.

Which is ironic in sad that we are becoming more tolerant of that sort of thing.


      And despite being sort of the brand of conservative that a crazy uncle at Thanksgiving might be. He is still among them. And wants the same general things in the end. The most important thing to him though is that he get credit.

    I think Trump appeals to those seeking to exploit (the Paul Ryan type), and those who are easy prey for exploiters (the crazy uncle type). There is little doubt that the GOP see Trump as a means to an end, regardless of where he ends up.

I think that is fair.


      I suppose, but I thing Norquist is also given more power than he deserves. Most Republicans were of the same general mind before he ever came into the picture.

    A little man, like Norquist, can cast a large shadow. Look at Arthur Laffer.

No question, I guess my point is that those impulses were already there anyway. There are just people that sort of solidify them or give them full on voice.

The idea of cutting taxes being an absolute good as orthodoxy existed before Laffer. He just gave it more of a voice. He was not even entirely wrong, at least not on a hypothetical level. However, how he reads it now and others is horribly wrong and makes no sense.


      It is very dangerous. It can do great or horrible things. History has shown that before. More often than not bad things. It is just harnessing people being mad at something.

    True. Even Bernie Sanders, who might be considered a benevolent populist, misled Americans with regard to TPP. Now the future might very well belong to China. Although many nations are still trying to re-work TPP. But even so, America ceded leadership on the issue.

True, Trump in general is very much helping the rise of China. Sanders had similar sort of rhetoric in degrees, but he is not the one doing the things now.

And I would like to believe he would have at least kept the US involved and having a voice at the table. Maybe I am naive though but Trump is less of a thinker than Sanders. Or at least that is my perception. Not as reflective as say Obama but I do not think he is unhinged and I am always right sort.

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