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Norvell

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Subj: Re: Morality is progressive, and is decided by society.
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 at 01:07:48 pm EST (Viewed 64 times)
Reply Subj: Morality is progressive, and is decided by society.
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 at 09:38:33 am EST (Viewed 79 times)


To a point I think that is true. As what is right and ok does seem to vary a fair bit over time. I am not sure that it is totally true, but with a given society the whims in it can convince themselves of some things.

Still probably not true morality, as some would not agree with it. Like Nazi Germany. From any outside point of view and many inside things were not ok on any level. It was just accepted by enough with state power to enforce.


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    I'm putting forth two ideas:



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    1) Morality is progressive. A simple premise. Society changes, generally becomes more liberal; more civil rights are granted to women and minorities, and transgressing those rights is deemed immoral. And that is what morality mostly pertains to; how you treat others.


I suppose so. I would prefer that morality is evolving in many respects.


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    2) Rather than being written in stone, morality is decided by society, and subject to change. An easy example is slavery. At one time, America agreed that slavery was morally acceptable. The Founding Fathers of America engaged in slavery. Society progressed and deemed it not only immoral, but outright evil. A more relevant example could be the rapid progress on women rights in the work place (what was tacitly acceptable 10 years ago is different than now).


To a point, sure. Some things do seem to have older roots than others. Like murder for instance. There have always been "buts" though.


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    Society decides what is right and wrong, and the punishment for transgressing those agreed-upon boundaries is a social one, not a spiritual one. You become a social pariah and possibly lose employment opportunities. The law takes care of the rest. I would argue that this is a more severe punishment than eternal damnation, because this is the life we're living now. Anyone can say that Jesus (or whoever) has forgiven them, but the real test is whether your peers have forgiven you.



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    Religious morality is only relevant to believers (and faux-believers), and even then is only subject to the afterlife.


Sure, but one can make the same point you are at other times. Many or all of these beliefs are also subject to change over time as different text are read with an eye of the time as opposed to the past. Or rather an interpretation supporting what they want it to say.

As in honesty, the Bible (I am picking it out because I am considering the US and my debates with creationists) really does not say much on modern issues. Some pretend it does but it really does not. There was even a very good book on the subject a year or so ago by a few Biblical scholars.






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