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Subj: Re: I don't know what it means to be conservative.
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 at 04:09:43 pm EST (Viewed 70 times)
Reply Subj: Re: I don't know what it means to be conservative.
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 at 02:09:51 pm EST (Viewed 68 times)


      Conservatism is morphing before our eyes. There was a time around the Civil War when the Democrats were pro-slavery and the Republicans were anti-slavery. Today, the Democrats are pro-minority and the Republicans are anti-minority, but the Republicans have become ever more extreme over the past 10 years.

    What caused this change? One theory is that it was Obama, the first black president. But I think it's more that the neo-conservatives waned in influence in the wake of the Iraq War, leaving a vacuum in the party for the nationalist wing of the Republican party to occupy.

Obama did for some, but the general feeling was just amplified off of general feelings that happened during the Clinton era and before. Obama accelerated some negative feelings but to me that was all he did. And it was through no real fault of his own for most of it. Other than being elected.

I disagree with that a bit. I do not think the crowd that was most patriotic about the war went anywhere. Many of them are the same ones you are referring to. They lived and died with Bush and conservative principles of the time. Most are with Trump now. Almost all in fact.

    We thought the Bush Era was the craziest era for the Republican party, but it was barely the opening act for what would follow. I never thought I'd be on the same side of history as Bill Kristol, the infamous neocon skunk.

It is pretty maddening. Bush was not good at all. But even he did not dismiss reality outright. Trump is pretty much an authoritarian want to be. One could even argue cult leader. I make that claim because the message you hear from them is you cannot trust anybody but me. That is almost the definition, everybody is wrong and lying except the leader.



        People are now conflating Trump, Bannon and Moore with modern conservatism, and who am I to say they're wrong?


        Trump is who Republicans chose to lead them so that's who the Republican Party is now. If Republicans were abandoning Trump in droves after seeing how he conducts himself in office, that'd be one thing, but that's not happening.

    One thing's for sure, this isn't the party of Lincoln.

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