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Subj: Re: Want to rank the replacement members just for the Hell of it?
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 at 08:29:30 am EDT (Viewed 140 times)
Reply Subj: Want to rank the replacement members just for the Hell of it?
Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 at 03:53:23 pm EDT (Viewed 156 times)


    1. Darla Deering
    I feel bad putting her first.... I'd feel bad if I didn't.


    2. She-Hulk
    Probably the real number one, out of all the many replacement members, she's the one who "took" the most. I guess we also ought to discuss which member is the best to BE replaced. I wouldn't have thought it was Ben, but this worked.

Yeah she's the most Fantastical fifth member out of all the Fantastic Four

    3. Ms. Marvel
    I don't feel that the Fantastic Four is the kind of comic where the subject of rape should really be featured, not even that time when Ben got pushed into a volcano in the Lee-Kirby run. Nevertheless, despite some questionable "not for the kids" content, she brought some drama to proceedings.

I don't mind rape being brought up. I enjoyed the Sue miscarriage plot. I don't mind social issues. But Englehart doesn't know how to write them.

That said...I liked Sharon. I thought she was a horrible representation of women as all Englehart written characters are (Mantis, Crystal, Mockingbird etc) but I liked what she represented for Ben. Ben became the level headed one to mentor unstable Shary. I loved that side of him when he was leader.

    4. Medusa
    Could be higher. I always felt they were reaching too much with dialogue like "Medusa's invincible with her amazing power of moving ginger hair", but she worked okay within the team. I've got a lot of nostalgic love for the period, and she showed that her efforts with a vase made Ben's Sunday best look weak.

The only time I liked Medusa was when she became a real b*tch around the time of War of Kings. I always thought she was stuck up but I liked it better when she leaned into it instead being snooty while also pretending to be a nice caring person. I'd rather her be a diva than be fake is what I'm saying.

    5. Crystal
    The opposite to her sister, in that you had someone so highly powered that she could conceivably take out the entire team, but they played it down. I was always surprised how little she was allowed to do in the Lee-Kirby run, and it was more Englehart where she came into her own.

I've never been overly fond of either sister. Englehart turned her into a tramp IMO. As bad as the run is to me she didn't really come into her own until Bob Harras's Avengers run.

    6. Ant Man
    Mainly for his run in that great spin-off title, which oozed goodness. Not so much for his run in the title proper, which wasn't much fun at all, and he seemed to think Johnny was after his underage daughter. Ick.

DeFalco's run was horrible. But I liked Ant Man a lot. One of the few bright spots.

    7. Spider-Man
    It says a lot for how much impact Spider-Man had that he was in the book and I completely forgot. It goes back somewhat to what I was saying earlier, about which team member gets replaced. Ben and Spidey has never really worked amazingly well (it's OKAY, but it's two wisecrackers together, they need a straight man) and Johnny was the one he always had the connection with. But Johnny was the one he replaced. Worse, Spidey was serious in the run, they were fighting in locations where his powers didn't really get used to good effect, and the team were mourning the death of Johnny so he was like an outsider. All in all, not a good fit... but he COULD have been.

I don't like Spider-Man in the Fantastic Four. Or the Avengers. Or the X-Men.

Peter shouldn't be on a team.

    7. Black Panther
    AS with Spidey, then with some of these, it's not the character, it's how they're used. BP was a great ally of the group, but when he was a member it didn't really "click". And I still don't get how he can hold the Silver Surfer in an unbreakable headlock.

I'd like to see the devious Priest version lead the team. Or a Fantastic Four/Force related team.

Priest was the only one who made T'Challa seem devious. I liked that version.

    8. Luke Cage
    I've got a lot of love for "Sweet Christmas!", though he didn't really do much when he was in the title.

    9. Nova
    She didn't really seem like a developed character to me, more just someone Bryne was exiting out of the book.

Ugh and the way he got rid of her. She willingly chose to help slaughter billions of lifeforms so she could experience the wonders of space. What a word that rhymes with bunt.

    10. Storm
    Anyone even remember Storm being in it? She had nothing to do, did she?


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