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Subj: This is Marvel's version of "The Love Boat" - and Johnny and Ben are the washed up TV stars
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 at 01:16:47 pm EST (Viewed 75 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Fantastic 3: Moongirl and Devil Dino
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 at 07:41:28 pm EST (Viewed 98 times)

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    Doom will always get the respect it seems, but not Reed and Co. Back to the original topic, if Doom's castle was abandoned no one would throw away anything.. every scrap would be a treasuree.


Ben and Johnny were not throwing that stuff out. Quite the opposite. They were giving it to the highest ranked intellect on the planet because it stands to reason that she would know what to do with it. It was an act of love and deep, almost worshipful respect for the greatest man that either of them has ever known.



Sorry AC, but you are candy coating it, from my perspective, and possibly missing the greater impact and message from Marvel with respect to the FF.

The dialog is clear in the preview:

Ben: "Can you believe they were throwin' alla this out, Johnny? As if none of this mattered to nobody."

Johnny Responds: "Nobody wants this junk. Not anymore."

To me this is a reflection of Marvel's sentiment toward the Fantastic Four.

1. The FF has been tossed out of the MU, because the FF doesn't matter.
2. Nobody wants the FF anymore.

The dialog goes on to anoint this glorified inspector gadget as the new Reed Richards. We know because the writers make Ben say it: "Yer smart, kiddo, just like Reed Richards".  Yes, oh ham-fisted writer, we get it. Some of us just don't accept it.

These team-ups are designed to be not-so-subtle "passing of the torch" ceremonies. Like when Harrison Ford did that Raiders movie with Shia LeBouf.   MoonGirl is the "new" Mr. Fantastic and she is sitting in with former members of the FF to show everyone she's up to the task. Both Johnny and Ben are jobbing it to make MoonGirl look good. Mark my words, she will save their old-school, incompetent asses in this story arc. They will bumble around following orders, and then heap praise. I can already hear Ben say "Ya did it kiddo. We couldn't of done it without you", etc., etc., 

In the end, MoonGirl doesn't really have an interest in Reed's old stuff.  She even says so.  She's there to talk about where Reed is. And that sets up the premise for this guest appearance with FF.  Ben and Johnny get to guest star like washed-up Love Boat guest actors, and MoonGirl gets to help out that old washed-up team formerly known as the Fantastic Four.

Not amused. Sorry. But don't get me wrong. I think it's nice to see them team-up with other characters and I may actually check out this arc. I just find some of the messages in the writing to be rather slanted and suggestive of an anti- Fantastic Four sentiment.









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