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dmhaight

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Subj: Re: 2-in-1 #2
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 at 09:24:58 pm EST (Viewed 164 times)
Reply Subj: Re: 2-in-1 #2
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 at 09:43:56 am EST (Viewed 161 times)



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        I disagree. Zdarsky is the best writer the FF have had this century.



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      Clearly you haven't read Jonathan Hickman's run, or Mark Waid's, or Dwayne McDuffie's.



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    I hated them all. Deeply despised them. Mark Millar's as well.


You'll notice i didn't mention Mark Millar's run as being better than this one because I too consider it to be deeply flawed. That having been said, i think he at least got some of the main characters better than what i'm seeing so far from Zdarsky.

BTW, i'm genuinely curious as to why you feel so strongly against Hickman's run (and to a lesser extent McDuffie's, given that it was relatively short). I honest consider it to be "the best run of the Fantastic Four this century".


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        This was the one and only prank Reed Richards ever played in his whole life. Ben actually says this in the comic. People can do things one time and then never again. It really does happen.



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      As I attempted to clarify above, the flashback goes on to point out how Reed supposedly "re-applied" the prank whenever it was undone, which completely invalidates the argument of it being a one time only action.



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    No it doesn't. It's all still the same prank. Reed was just making sure his one prank "stuck." Ben says this in the comic.


Yes, I know what was said, but consider for a moment what character trait must be in place for him to do such a thing over years. I think i'd find this less objectionable if he was shown to do the prank and then share the knowing smiles with Ben afterwards...but to essentially re-do the prank over and over again??? No, that's not Reed Richards.



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          Johnny's flame now works as a cleaning agent against bacteria and plaque?!? Really? That's beyond ridiculous - and needs to be retconned away asap.



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        This makes total sense. Extreme heat kills bacteria. It also burns away sticky goo such as plaque. Toss a corpse into a furnace, then check the ashes for the bacteria that live in the human body. You won't find any. You also won't find any plaque.



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      Yeah, and Johnny's flame is sophisticated enough to distinguish between probiotics or helpful bacteria from the bad germs...because Johnny's flame is known to have a degree in molecular biology so as to be able to identify the difference between the two as it passes through his body....???? The more you try to stretch this type of comic book science, the more idiotic it becomes.



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    He doesn't burn on the inside of his body. Only on the outside.



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    You're really overthinking this, in my opinion. Is your real problem the fact that no other writer ever said it before? Don't you think it's kind of cool to get some new FF lore?


Yes, but I want my new FF lore to make sense. For example, I found the creation of the Future Foundation in Hickman's run to be particularly appealing. I was also pleased to see a more mature and capable Johnny Storm after he returned from the Negative Zone circa FF #600. I also liked how, towards the end of Hickman's run, they introduced the FF space observatory in geosynchronous orbit around the Baxter Building - another growth in the team dynamic that seems evidently logical, but as with most of Hickman's run it was almost immediately reversed by Fraction (which is one of the many reasons I found v.4 of the title to be so distasteful).



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